Quote Originally Posted by Greedo017
dev, i've clarified what i mean multiple times. i agree i'm treading a fine line about what i'm exactly arguing about, but its mostly because you and pelion keep twisting my argument back and making it about the war and our reasons for going to/being in it, when i am speaking more generally.

cultural relativism is a pathetic idea. if you beleive in it, i doubt we're ever going to agree on anything.
I am twisting nothing. You seem to think the reason we went to war is irrelevent because it is in the past and we cant change it. We just have to do the best we can from now on. But if we have sent people there for the wrong reason, the iraqis arent going to like it and they arent going to change their opinion of us just because we decide to fix it all now.

Have you ever had a fight with your girlfriend?

It doesnt matter how bad you want to fix it. If she tells you to go away you go away.
Sure you can go buy some flowers or some chocolate and try and talk to her later but you gotta let her cool down first...