Quote Originally Posted by Pelion
Yes.

The argument all this time has been that we cant pull out because it will start a civil war. Well guess what, we already have one and it is getting worse every day we are still there.
Now even Iyad Allawi, the prime minister of iraq until 2005 has admitted that the country is now in the middle of a civil war.

If the thing we are trying to prevent is already happening, and we are making it worse.... what more reason do we have for staying?
well, i disagree with you, strongly. i think u.s. presence at this point is 100x better for iraq than lack of it. might be better for the u.s. if we left, but not for iraqis.