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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffryn View Post
    I assume you are a straight man? Suppose you like playing poker, but it appears that nearly everyone who plays is a gay man or lesbian. Its a pretty heterophobic environment. Frequently when you are playing online, someone who makes a donk play gets called a "breeder" in the chat. To you that word is as offensive as "nigger" would be to a black person, but it seems perfectly acceptable to use that insult in poker.

    You want to improve your game so you are looking through some poker forums. The poker content seems good but on all of them there seems to be quite a lot of anti straight feeling. You often see "straight" used as "bad". Posts are titled "AK on the BTN, really straight turn". Lots of posters seem to think that being straight is really hilarious and accusing obviously gay posters of being straight is even funnier. There are loads of threads on gay subjects like whether Patrick Antonius wears boxers or briefs and who is hotter: Durr or Raptor.

    Then someone opens a poker forum for straight and straight friendly players. Would you be interested?

    Not hating on you or anyone. Just answering your question.
    I appreciate the desire to carve out a small niched world of your own design, and I admire the gumption to attempt the endeavor. Of course, the fluff is always followed by the but and mine is this: these prejudices, be they from misunderstanding, fear, hatred, anger, closeted homosexuality, or whatever else drives people to betray themselves as bigots and fools, they are not unique to poker or the poker experience.

    I'd first suggest you develop a thick skin against the implied derision against homosexuality, similar to how I would recommend feminists stop twisting their verbiage to empower wemyn and instead man up. But I am white and male and straight and whatever other middle of the road labels you can throw at the mean so I can only pretend to know how a person can be so sensitive to a word.

    Words don't hurt. I say way too many of them for most of them to have any meaning. And I use the gay ones, and the fat ones, and the old ones, and the nerd ones, and the religious ones, and the animal ones, all of the ones, and my intention is hardly carried in the word itself. But you probably know the difference between referencing a frustrating bet as a gaybet vrs the derision of being called a gay by a bully of some sort. If someone could use an insult against me, my confidence is that I would recognize when it was being used harmlessly.

    I fully support the aims of brokebackpoker and wish the site luck, but you don't need to slice out a new poker forum for that one group of people labeled neutrally and with great care, when everyone is welcome right here at FTR.

    I think you'll find this community pretty pro-homosexual. Look at how popular bigred is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Words don't hurt.
    Yes they do. I know someone who was teased about their nose as a child and now gets extremely distressed by any reference to it. Words can hurt very much and fuel a demand for rhinoplasty. You say you use the gay words, the nerd ones etc, but you don't mention the racial ones. I would bet my roll that you don't refer to African Americans as niggers probably ever and certainly not amongst strangers. Why is the word fag any different? If you are using that word and I don't know you, am I more likely to think you are homophobe or that you are just messing around and are really a homophile?

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I'd first suggest you develop a thick skin against the implied derision against homosexuality,....
    Why should I? Other peoples insensitivity is not my problem. You say everyone is welcome at FTR, but is everyone made to feel welcome? When I see gay frequently used as a synonym for bad and a bunch of gay jokes, am I meant to think: "that is a site that welcomes the gays"? I have stuck around long enough to work out that most of the active members are not really card carrying homophobes wearing "Kill the Fags" T Shirts, but I do wonder whether others don't just take one glance and move on. Its not as if the site is teeming with out and proud gays.

    If by develop a thick skin, you mean don't get worked up about it, then I agree with you. Referring to a gaybet is hardly homo hate crime of the year and I haven't been complaining and organising protest marches about it. However, a bunch of people were saying that they could not see the attraction of a gay site and so the purpose of my post was to explain that I would prefer getting the good poker content without any homosexual derision. If brokeback poker supplies that then I will be there, not here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffryn View Post
    "that is a site that welcomes the gays"?
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    Wow spoon srsly had never heard of kylie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucothefish View Post
    Wow spoon srsly had never heard of kylie
    yeah i don't listen to nigger music

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