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Originally Posted by Bananastand
Why? You hate those for the same reasons as you hate Destiny 2's XP cheat.
If you say so. You apparently know why I hate one thing or another.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
Why not get the government to fix everything you don't like? Where would you like the government intervention to stop? What if an angry vocal minority gets the government to take away something you do like. How are you gonna get the toothpaste back in the tube?
The government exists for a few reasons, chief of which being protection of its citizens.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
Is underage gambling really big enough an epidemic that you're prepared to slide down that slippery slope of nanny-state meddling?
Have you been keeping up with the news?
Originally Posted by Bananastand
no that's not the crux.
Yes it is. I'm not going to tolerate a company which intentionally misleads me. Does that not warrant being snitched to the BBB?
Say you go to a restaurant and order a chicken sandwhich. Instead you get an iguana sandwhich. On your receipt, there is still chicken sandwhich. The waitress tells you "here you go, this is your chicken sandwich". I'm told they are virtually indistinguishable qua taste. Later, through test, you figure out that this restaurant has been serving iguana as chicken because it's cheaper meat hopin no one finds out. Would you not be angry as fuck, knowing that said restaurant WILLFULLY AND INTENTIONALLY LIED about said sandwich being chicken?
Originally Posted by Bananastand
The actual crux of the issue is WHY THEY LIED.
I don't care.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
-Did they lie to purposefully drive increased microtransactions in order to greedily pad a profit margin that was already fair?
I don't care.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
-Were development costs so high that they were denied a fair profit margin, and thus need to drive MicroTx sales to compensate?
I don't care. This is the part where I tell you "But have you seen their earnings call?" and then you'll rebut with "B'S A COMPANY THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING MONEY HOWEVER THEY PLEASE IDC ABOUT FAIR THEY NEED TO MAKE THE MONIES" etc. I think we've done this dance before too.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
-or did they just make a game who's enjoy-ability depends on a thriving community of active gamers. As such, it is in the community's interest to create mechanisms that encourage players to play longer, and have more diverse gameplay objectives.
I don't care. How many gaming communites just like the one you describe do not exist, and all of these without having to have had to lie, deceive and con their customers in the name of money?
The point is that the company lied to me. Tried to, at least. Once caught with the hand in the proverbial cookie jar, it didn't even say it was a mistake nor anything. Just that "the system did not function as intended". Indicating that there WAS a system in place doing this, which only came to light after investigative digging.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
It could be any of those. So until I see some EVIDENCE of the worst case scenario, I don't think it's fair to assume the worst case scenario.
There is simply no blinder man than he who refuses to see.
Dude, seriously, you are the best customer ever. Of all time.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
You're misquoting me. But it's not important. It doesn't matter if we're talking about magazines or memory cards, just because they aren't published, produced, distributed, or sold by a the game-makers, doesn't mean that the game-makers aren't benefiting.
Here is me, "misquoting" you
https://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerf...11#post2280911
https://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerf...97#post2280897
This is the actual interaction, in context
Originally Posted by Bananastand
Extra hardware, HD wires, magazine subscriptions, 900-numbers, memory cards......these were all revenue streams that gaming companies used to have, but don't anymore.
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
LOL, those that made the games really did benefit from selling those magazines back in the day.
You are making less and less sense, but let's continue.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
Dude....we didn't have the internet. Video games were not mainstream enough to be advertised in prime time. If you wanted to know what was up, you needed to read the magazines. The only reason I knew Final Fantasy existed is because of Nintendo Power. It made me want to buy the game. I did end up buying the game. So....yeah, game makers benefited ALOT from that shit.
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
You do understand, I assume, that Nintendo is just one publisher which also happened to be the dominant console maker back in the day right? What about all of the other devs? Did they have magazines too?
Originally Posted by Bananastand
Electronic Gaming Monthly was a thing back then. So, yes.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
Definitely not trolling. Everything I posted was sincere.
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Of course. Yet first line you claim somehow EGM == Nintendo Power.
Nintendo Power was first party. EGM was just a fucking magazine that covered gaming. How the fuck did they have anything to do with Konami is beyond me.
And then you go on strawmanning and throwing more false equivalencies around, and yet claim to be serious.
You cannot be this dense. Of course you are trolling
Originally Posted by Bananastand
... more nonsense, the classic $60 argument etc ...
Have you seen Take2's earnings call? Bear in mind they haven't released a fucking game in two years.
Claiming that companies have a tough time etc, as it's soo expensive making games nowadays, because why else would they require so much money. Have you seen EA's share price recently? Bear in mind that It was $15 in 2013. It was $120 prior to Star wars battlefront 2 release, november 2017. It's now at $105 after the backlash, and rebounding.
They can't make money right? They are having SUCH A TOUGH TIME selling games at $60 a pop.
What you are saying about games being OH SO EXPENSIVE TO MAKE MY GOD is a myth, perpetrated by those who will simply try to milk you dry of every penny you have by introducing consumables, lootboxes, and every other possible avenue to turn you upside down and shake you, bully-style. That is the main problem in the games industry right now. But you will never understand this; I will now shut up as I don't want to insult you
Originally Posted by Bananastand
What are you talking about? Are you saying that there are games out there that launched with certain features, and then those features were taken back with some kind of update later? Is that really a widespread problem?
Please watch the video above for some examples
Originally Posted by Bananastand
If you bought a car with doors, and some repo men came by later and took the doors away, then you have a beef. But if you drove off the lot with no doors......that's a YOU problem.
This is the problem. You will pay for said car and drive off, and then the doors will simply dissapear as they were generated by hologram and of course you were not notified of this in any way, shape or form. Now that you think of it was kind of suspect that the doors would open themselves whenever you approached the car, Tesla Model S style.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
yeah, details I guess. Companies will sell products where there is a market for them. If there is a market for selling games piecemeal, why should a company be denied the chance to compete in that market? Just because you personally don't care for it, doesn't mean that it's time to call in the sheriff and outlaw the practice entirely.
Yes, and when they cross the proverbial line, they have to bear with the consequences of crossing said line. And turns out I'm not the only one who is not a Perfect Customer.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
Just because you personally don't care for it, doesn't mean that it's time to call in the sheriff and outlaw the practice entirely.
I wonder what would happen in the wild wild west, since you brought up a sheriff.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
That you know of.
And once I know of it, there will be hell to pay. I will not support deceiptful business practices.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
Question: Does it matter if they deceive you specifically? Or is any underhanded business practice enough to initiate a boycott from you?
Sure. Classic example would be a hookers blowjob. A very pretty hooker, and then she blindfolds and cuffs you before the blowjob. It starts feeling like a great blowjob, but a minute in the blindfold slips and you find you were getting a blowjob by an old toothless witch. Boner gone. Would you A) come back to this hooker and b) pay for the current session?
Originally Posted by Bananastand
I mean, what if cuphead was made by nazis using stolen IP. Would you stop playing even though it's a good game?
Ah, reductio ad hitlerum. I wonder when that would show up. And the answer to that is no, they did not deceive me with the game. I have noidea who made any of the games I play, and there may or may not be actual fucking skinheads on the development team, yet no way to know for sure. It would be stupid to boycott on such a basis.
Originally Posted by Bananastand
lol....have you bought anything, ever? Then I think you might have broken your vow here.
Definitely not off late night TV ads
Again, if you like buying stuff knowing full well they deceive you, go ahead. I, however, refuse to. A company/product that willfully, knowingly deceives me is not worth my money. It can go fuck itself.
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