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    Oooh I think I know some of this. I don't care if I don't, I'm answering.

    The key is time, right? My relative time is different than the earth's relative time.
    Yeah, which also means your perception of space is different to an observer on Earth. As time expands, space contracts. You measure the light travelling at c, which would lead you to think that I would measure it from Earth at c+10km/s, which defies logic. But you measure the distance differently to someone on Earth, a direct consequence of the difference in time. You would measure the distance between Earth and beam differently (shorter) than someone on Earth, and that accounts for the extra 10km/s in apparent speed above c.

    Or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    As time expands, space contracts.
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    But you measure the distance differently to someone on Earth, a direct consequence of the difference in time. You would measure the distance between Earth and beam differently (shorter) than someone on Earth, and that accounts for the extra 10km/s in apparent speed above c.
    Right, it is starting to make sense.
    If we take the http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/Twins traveling twins example to an extreme then we can say that I age slower than people on earth because I'm moving closer to the speed of light.
    As such, I could take a measurement at 59 seconds while someone on earth does it at 60.
    Still trying to get my head around this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Right, it is starting to make sense.
    If we take the http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/Twins traveling twins example to an extreme then we can say that I age slower than people on earth because I'm moving closer to the speed of light.
    As such, I could take a measurement at 59 seconds while someone on earth does it at 60.
    Still trying to get my head around this.
    That link offers a poor explanation that ignores the fact that we can take out the acceleration entirely and still predict the time dilation.

    Assume we have 3 clocks. One on Earth, the inertial frame. Another is already moving at speed past Earth, and happens to be perfectly synchronized with Earth as it passes. The third clock is going in the opposite direction of the 2nd. It passes the 2nd some distance away, and at that time, those 2 clocks happen to be perfectly synchronized.

    Now, the 3nd clock passes the first clock on Earth some time later and we STILL note that the clocks are not synchronized, even though we have completely eliminated any accelerating reference frames.

    The actual answer to unravel the paradox is to understand that spacetime paths have different lengths, and that's enough to desynchronize the clocks. The "inertial" clock on Earth has a theoretical spacetime path which moves only in time, but not in space. The other clocks move in both time and space. The magnitude of the length of the spacetime path is what determines a clock's tickrate.

    (And again, we're talking about the imaginary, internal clocks which mediate all interactions. Yes, slowing down all the interactions slows down the macroscopic clock, but it's literally that time flows at a different rate, and nothing to do with clocks, as such.)
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    Still trying to get my head around this.
    So am I. Time dilation fascinates me. I'm not for a minute pretending to understand it. I've been trying to for years, and probably never will.
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