I don't want to derail this thread too far, but I am happy to explain myself. I did start it, after all.

First of all, I'm not talking about "solving problems with numbers". I'm talking about the interconnectedness of elaborate systems of interactions of numbers which blooms from the most simple and seemingly obvious assumptions with only applying a bit of logic. I'm talking about the fact that no matter how much we understand this idea called mathematics, we know that there will always be more to know. I'm talking about the fact that for some unknown reason, we can use these symbols to describe and understand our world and our bodies (*sigh* by creating and solving problems with numbers).

As for my use of inherent, I mean that it's a quality that seems to just be there. I don't propose there's an equation that quantifies beauty or any proof of its location. Which brings me to beauty. I don't propose there's a way to define beauty. I think appreciation of beauty is an emotional response, and that what is beautiful to one person may not be beautiful to another.

So all I'm saying really, is that I find emotional satisfaction in the complex interconnectedness of numbers. I find it wholly gratifying to be able to "predict the future" using numbers. By which I mean, of course, plot trajectories, calculate probabilities and whatnot... not the whole clairvoyance thing, obv. I mean it in the sense of, "I predict if we build this rocket and point it that way, we can play golf on the moon."

I mean... without mathematics, we wouldn't understand Quantum Mechanics at all. We wouldn't have cell phones, or touchscreen, or GPS, or microwave ovens... We got those things from our (well some dedicated person's) understanding of how to use math to describe something, and use that description to make a new thing.

I find it beautiful and truly awesome that from 1,2,3,... we get those things. I can't convince you to agree, but that's what I mean.