Anti-Capitalist Sentiment (with some morality)

[a500lbgorilla]

Actually, capitalism provides every motivation for poor people to be upwardly mobile.

"This is how it'll be."

How every explanation of capitalism/economics/whatever has always gone. This is how it will be. Well, it's never been like that, but that's just because we never really did it/gov't/outside forces/whatever kept it from being. But this is how it will be.

[Renton]

"This is how it'll be."

How every explanation of capitalism/economics/whatever has always gone. This is how it will be. Well, it's never been like that, but that's just because we never really did it/gov't/outside forces/whatever kept it from being. But this is how it will be.

The past is filled with examples that agree with my point of view. Let's disregard the theory-crafting that has been going on in here, because obviously that stuff was for intellectual curiosity. Socialism can be dismantled entirely with the terms set about by the socialist himself. There's no need for me to make grand suppositions about alternative reality to prove it.

The policies do not work. They don't reduce poverty, they increase it. And its not just a splash of socialism that all of your success stories countries have. The tax burdens hover around the 40-50% area in those countries, and that's not even considering all of the land the state owns and the currency manipulation they get away with. And the debt, let's not forget about the debt.

[a500lbgorilla]

The past is filled with examples that agree with my point of view.

Great. Show 'em. It's all I've ever wanted. Some explanation that doesn't trace back to first principles or the geometry of human action. Some explanation where you show, "it's this way because look, we can show it's this way."

Let's disregard the theory-crafting that has been going on in here

I fully disregard it.

[Renton]

Great. Show 'em. It's all I've ever wanted. Some explanation that doesn't trace back to first principles or the geometry of human action. Some explanation where you show, "it's this way because look, we can show it's this way."



I fully disregard it.

The problem is that my views are unprovable because every modern society is a capitalism/socialism hybrid, and your views are unfalsifiable because it's never been any other way.

We can prove on a really basic level that certain things about capitalism's positive effect on world poverty are true by noting that each shithole third world country perpetually remains a shithole until free (or freer) trade is allowed to take place. After that, the poverty always gets better, and this is especially impressive when you realize that its taking place in the most corrupt nations in the world. The single party governments of places like Cambodia are doing everything they can to rob their citizens blind and yet their lives are still improving. Double digit economic growth is taking place. Middle class amenities like gyms and malls are cropping up everywhere.

But me telling you that is pointless because you already agree that capitalism is a good thing, you're just filled with paranoia that too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. You're asking me to explain why capitalism doesn't concentrates wealth, or doesn't allow monopolistic mega-corporation-states to form, or whatever other dystopian idea. My response would be to put the ball in your court and ask you to tell me about one case of anything like that ever happening*.

* that wasn't aided/enabled by a state.