these are all relatively new ideas to me, and i'd need to mull them over a bit before i could really continue discussing this with you. fwiw, i'm certain your understanding of this topic is far deeper than mine. and part of my incentive for even posting in this thread was to put the opinions which i used to hold strongly, which have been progressively weakening for years, on the chopping block. it seems our fundamental disagreement is that you acknowledge our current capitalist system as being "optimal" and as such - we should begin to work within its confines to achieve (insert whatever your personal moral sensibilities believe is "just" or "ethical" within a society here). for much of my life (and, as is clearly evident, these influences are still in effect), i was of the position that we had evolved adequately as a species to be able to formulate a new system which is able to achieve more utilitarian ends. it was never socialism or communism or anarchism, but it was certainly influenced to differing degrees by those ideas. these days i have no idea what i believe and i think part of that is because i don't fully understand economics. so thanks for your insights.
edit: heh, and sorry for the derail
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