Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
I'm not trying to marginalize how potentially devastating it can be to lose one's job, but monetarily its a tiny risk
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I am disappoint

Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
everyone has some value to provide in the market, it's just a matter of what pay they're willing to accept.
...so you're saying...
The market gets to "decide" what a person's value is, but a person gets to decide how the profits are apportioned.
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Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
My argument is that no one is entitled to anything but what they voluntarily accept.
People accept things for different reasons. To a certain extent, letting an idiot be the idiot they want to be is fine, and if that means you profit because they're too stupid or lazy to interfere, then good on ya.

If you pay a mentally disabled busboy less than other busboys because he's not savvy enough to bargain with you, then there's a problem.

If an employer conceals or manipulates information that an employee would need to know to fairly assess the value of their position in relation to the wage offered, then there's a problem.

If someone's choices are
A) Have a job that pays you less than your effort is worth
B) Have a different job that pays you less than your effort is worth
C) more of the same
D) Be unemployed
then there's a problem.

etc.

Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
When you go to a fruit stand, do you ignore the price tag on an apple and instead pay the dude according to your opinion of the apples value? What if it's a really hot day and you can't imagine anything tastier at this moment than a refreshing apple? Surely in that case it has even greater value to you.
see above... is the guy selling apples a retarded person?

Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
Now it might seem heartless to compare people with fruit, but you have to look objectively at labor, because like it or not, people are commodities, and they don't somehow work differently than soybeans or apples or oil just because they have a pulse. They work exactly the same, and to ignore or deny that when discussing the economy is to be naive.
Now you're moving from, "I am an entrepreneur," "I am a gold miner," and into "the economy".

That's not what we started talking about. We're getting off topic.