Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
That sounds about accurate, but it's a mistake to assume that capitalism addresses everything. Capitalism is better for a bunch of very important things than any other system by far, but it isn't the only aspect of society. So if somebody says "well capitalism is immoral because it favors 3 and 4", I get to say "well capitalism isn't supposed to fully address this problem in the first place".

Of all the counters to capitalism, none work, and they're all far worse, but that doesn't mean capitalism addresses everything. But when you add welfarism to capitalism, now you're talking. The capitalist-welfarist model is tried and true. No other models are. To me it seems the derision of capitalism is just a giant straw man. Of course, a lot of its proponents are straw manning it too

Yeah, I'm really glad you keep pushing this idea that what people want-- the cause of their Scandinavian envy, is not socialism, but capitalism-welfarism. It's like an honest rebranding. It allows people on both sides to see the issue as it really is, without the false negative associations brought on by the words "communism" and "socialism". It's neither of those things, but people feel like it has to be since the capitalist/communist dichotomy has been pile-driven into their brains for the last half century.