Anti-Capitalist Sentiment (with some morality)

[Renton]

Yeah, you're getting it for free in the U.K. for now, but your debt to GDP ratio is like 80% and ever rising. You're also locked in a several year recession with the rest of Western Europe. You're paying for free healthcare in the same manner that the U.S. has been paying for its wars, by burdening your children with a shitty economy. It's not free healthcare at all. Everyone in your country, including the poor, is paying dearly for it. In seen and unseen ways.

I'm not sure if you're implying that a pro-capitalism position lacks empathy for others. If you are, I would certainy take issue with that. It bothers me tremendously that the left thinks it has a monopoly on concern for poor people. I'm deeply concerned for poor people. Real, actual poor people, as in the kind that are probably less than 0.5% of the populations of the U.S or U.K but are a majority of people in India or Indonesia. I'm also concerned with the lower quintile income people of first-world countries, and I feel that the welfare state has entrenched them in a perpetuating cycle of victimhood and (relative) poverty.

The welfare state in America, along with its supporters, has convinced a significant percentage of the population that they are victimized by rich (especially white [especially male]) people, that they must fight an uphill battle to secure any ends for themselves, and that they probably shouldn't even try. And shockingly, that actually has an effect on people's behavior. There was a poll recently that asked people if they would consider voting for a socialist presidential candidate. Nearly 50% of the country said they would. Nearly 30% of conservatives said they would, and over 70% of people between 18-28 said they would. In the country that supposedly hates socialism more than any other. The state is a self perpetuating behemoth, ruining people's lives and all the while convincing them that all they need is a little more state. There just wasn't enough previously, that's why the shit didn't work. This is how Greece just elected its new communist PM.

[rong]

Yeah, you're getting it for free in the U.K. for now, but your debt to GDP ratio is like 80% and ever rising. You're also locked in a several year recession with the rest of Western Europe. You're paying for free healthcare in the same manner that the U.S. has been paying for its wars, by burdening your children with a shitty economy. It's not free healthcare at all. Everyone in your country, including the poor, is paying dearly for it. In seen and unseen ways.

You can see we was trundling along quite nicely with average say 4% growth and debt to gdp ratio of aound 40% which I believe is within acceptable boundaries, all this with our lovely free at point of use health care provided to everyone.

It's not the NHS that has caused all our problems, it was a bunch of people working in the financial services industry. Now you can blame all sorts of things for why the whole 2008 financial crisis happened, but it wasn't free healthcare.

As for the shitty economic environment here, that's got a lot to do with the governments policy of austerity which I shan't go on about any more because I think I've done it to death.