Another diet question (dairy free)

[agnesamurphy]

I think the fact that I'm vegan automatically screamed to everyone that I was full of BS. Perhaps you know vegans who are full of it, but we've never met and it's not cool to throw on a stereotype or to presume I'm a certain way because I am vegan.

Yes, all current sources of B12 are animal based. Soy milk and vegan-friendly alternatives come fortified with B12 (energy drinks are fortified with it as well), much like how orange juice and other food/drink is fortified with this and that. That first thing about B12 seems to suggest that I'm a hypocrite and might be chugging 2% on the side while claiming to be vegan and fighting against milk. Remember that vegans and vegetarians are not the same. Vegans don't eat eggs or dairy as well as meat (the stricter ones actually avoid oils too), so that box doesn't quite apply since it also recommends B12-fortified foods that are also vegan-friendly.

I acknowledged that osteoporosis is caused by a variety of factors. All I said was that milk and yogurt are championed as the prevention measure for osteoporosis, but when you look at consumption rates and disease rates, they're both high. Does correlation equal causation? No. Is it worth a second thought? I think so.

Jyms, I'm not gonna give you the pleasure. I'm not going to cite the China study. Close the thread now if you want.

[daven]

I think the fact that I'm vegan automatically screamed to everyone that I was full of BS.

nope, I didn't even know you were vegan until you started spouting about it. I decided 'full of BS' based on the second paragraph of your first post (I have quoted the whole post below.) After reading the first paragraph i was thinking 'nice contribution', but then...

FYI for chocolate lovers: dark chocolate actually doesn't contain any milk products (not the Hershey's stuff, but the higher end brands for sure). It may say cocoa butter on the back, but cocoa butter isn't dairy-based.

There's actually no nutritional value to dairy products. They're all just fat and calories. Sure, milk and yogurt may have calcium. However, the US is third in the world in milk consumption (behind India and the EU), but has the highest rates of osteoporosis. Even though osteoporosis is caused by a variety of factors, if calcium was such the silver bullet that's been claimed for so long, then our rates should be much lower.

also, i deleted the content of my early post in this thread to remove the rebuttals to your ridiculous 'no nutritional value to dairy' and calcium vs osteoporosis points.

also, i repeat my question from the pm (i won't quote the pm you replied with unless you say it's ok)

Originally Posted by daven
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Originally Posted by agnesamurphy
You don't need to worry about getting enough either. Most people actually consume too much protein in their diets, which is especially bad since our bodies do not store protein. Adult women need about 46 grams a day, and the typically person actually consumes about 60 grams a day.

'too much', suggests an excess amount that has a negative effect or impact.

ok, so if we don't store excess protein, then eating more than the required amount isn't a problem, right? so it isn't 'too much', right? if you can't address these two questions intelligently then maybe you should re-think a few things.

Also, an fyi re my views on veganism. My most regular running partner (until i broke my arse we typically clocked up two runs a week, = between 20 and 35km a week) is vegan. And intelligent. We talk about food a bit, because we're both really into food. I have my reasons for not being vegan, she has hers for being vegan. We are both pretty well informed on this stuff and there is mutual respect for the decisions - i had a bbq here on wednesday, and provided a whole bunch of gluten free vegan burgers that i had made from scratch that arvo to complement the wild trout, wild perch, wild venison, and dirty store-bought sausages. I hang out with people with a range of dietary preferences cos i hang out with a range of people. I don't think 'vegans are full of BS' and your claim that i do think like this offends me. I do think that 'people who make BS stupid claims are more likely than average to be full of BS.'