Another diet question (dairy free)

[jyms]

I've heard good things about hemp proteins. I have no experience with any non dairy powders except egg albumin back in the day and it was not good trading and only mixed with a blender. I was using Cocoa and sometimes sugar orsweetener

[agnesamurphy]

FYI for chocolate lovers: dark chocolate actually doesn't contain any milk products (not the Hershey's stuff, but the higher end brands for sure). It may say cocoa butter on the back, but cocoa butter isn't dairy-based.

There's actually no nutritional value to dairy products. They're all just fat and calories. Sure, milk and yogurt may have calcium. However, the US is third in the world in milk consumption (behind India and the EU), but has the highest rates of osteoporosis. Even though osteoporosis is caused by a variety of factors, if calcium was such the silver bullet that's been claimed for so long, then our rates should be much lower.

[donkbee]

I've heard good things about hemp proteins. I have no experience with any non dairy powders except egg albumin back in the day and it was not good trading and only mixed with a blender. I was using Cocoa and sometimes sugar orsweetener

What is it about the whey protein that is causing my skin problems? Do you think I could take a whey isolate, or would that not solve my problem? I'm not exactly sure what filtering the whey actually removes. If it just removes the lactose, is it safe to assume that it wouldn't help my skin problems?

I don't know a lot about what I'm talking about, as you can see, so hopefully my question makes sense :P

[Keith]

not wanting to derail the topic too far with the vegetarian/vegan vs meat eating lifestyle but vegetarians/veganss probably don't realise that they are hypocrits.

I remember in one of my lectures years ago at uni a prof saying that all sources of vitamin B12 were animal derived and in the light of what agnes was saying up above i thought i'd check out whether thats still the case or whether it is now manufactured . http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/focus/nut...ls/vitamin.htm and scroll down to the box out about vegetarians and B12.

Which are the two main sources that are advocated for vegetarians to use ? eggs and dairy. Of those ,milk is something animals produce intended as a food source for their young whereas the eggs are intended to propagate the species.Ethically, milk should be the preferred source of B12 from the two if you want to avoid eating animals/potential animals.It also completely debunks your first two sentences in the following quote.

There's actually no nutritional value to dairy products. They're all just fat and calories. Sure, milk and yogurt may have calcium. However, the US is third in the world in milk consumption (behind India and the EU), but has the highest rates of osteoporosis. Even though osteoporosis is caused by a variety of factors, if calcium was such the silver bullet that's been claimed for so long, then our rates should be much lower.

the rest of the quote is just such bad science that i find it difficult to beleive comes from a scientists wife. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ood-wrong.html . Why did i include that link. read through it ." Whole milk is roughly 4% fat and skimmed and semi skimmed drop down to about 2.5 and 1% fat which are hardly the fat reservoirs that many people imagine them to be. Sure if you go to cream then it is high fat. Why is skimmed milk so bad...because you are also removing the fat soluble vitamins and vitamin D in particular is associated with regulating the calcium cycle within the body.
This is quite important in dairying as after calving there is a high demand for calcium which the cows body supplies by removing it from the bones. Calcium uptake from the food is usually very low levels in the period before calving and takes a while for the cow 's intestines to switch from a low absorbtion of calcium to increasing the absorbtion to satisfy the calcium required for milk production. THis can lead to a low calcium level in the blood and "milk fever ". This can be prevented by feeding low calcium feed sources in the period before calving so that the cows is in a calcium absorbtion state so that at calving they can then be switched onto a high calcium diet and the cows is able to absorb that calcium and maintain blood calcium levels without having to resort to breaking down calcium stored in the bones.

What difference does that make. Well humans have the same issues , just in much smaller quantities. Vitamin D helps regulate the calcium cycle in bone production (rickets) and using semi skimmed/skimmed milk is removing a source of vitamin D. You went on to say that usa had third highest consumption of milk in the world but the highest rates of Osteoporosis. A lot of US/europeans automatically have this "whole milk is high fat and you should be using skimmed milk " attitude. by doing so they are removing the part of the milk which benefits bone strength. Also if people are eating too much calcium , the bodies ability to absorb calcium will also be lowered.
Also look at the other causes of Oteoporosis. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Osteopo...es/Causes.aspx . Heavy drinking and smoking are one of the causes and levels of each in the US and europe are quite high. Corticosteroid use is also another high risk and western lifestyles have lead to increasing amounts of asthma in their populations and the resulting corticosteroid treatments.other causes are malabsorbtion resulting from coeliac and chrons diseases which also seem to be a result of a western lifestyle.
What does that mean , well if you take away the vitamins that control calcium deposition in to the bone and /or you have a western lifestyle which leads you to not absorb the calcium you do eat efficiently or the lifestyle results in ailments that may require treatments that may result in weakened bones fix those other issues before saying that milk is a bad source of calcium.

[NightGizmo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ood-wrong.html . Why did i include that link. read through it ." Whole milk is roughly 4% fat and skimmed and semi skimmed drop down to about 2.5 and 1% fat which are hardly the fat reservoirs that many people imagine them to be.

Whole milk might be 4% fat by volume but it's almost 50% by calorie count, which definitely makes it a high fat food (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...-products/69/2).

Your vitamin D comments are dead-on, though -- most people have a pretty severe vitamin D deficiency, and that causes a whole host of problems (including contributing to osteoporisis). I take a vitamin D supplement (as D3, which is the most effective form for supplements), because I know I don't get enough normally. When you get your blood levels checks at your normal doctor visits, you should ask if they can check your D level, too -- ideally, you should be between 80-100 nG/ML.

[MadMojoMonkey]

the rest of the quote is just such bad science that i find it difficult to beleive comes from a scientists wife.

That's not how science works, bitches.
@ so many inappropriate funnies, that come to mind, though.

Also, you must be single, Keith, or you would know that I'm the one person in the world she doesn't listen to.

Oh, and I don't eat insects, because they're filthy and gross, but I like honey. I'd go so far as to say, "Honey is delicious; if you don't like honey, then wtf is wrong with you?" I'll just own that hypocrisy and leave the cognitive dissonance to...

*shrug* what were we talking about? Oh yeah.

I love the notion of experimenting on yourself, for the sake of experimentation leading to better living. I suggest keeping a journal of what your hypotheses are and working your way through it like a zen master. (It occurs to me that zen masters may or may not keep journals, so grain of salt there.)