Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
And doesn't the current system work reasonably well in mixed areas? I don't know that's true. But I assume life is easier for a black guy in New York now than it was 50 yrs ago.
It's much easier, but it is for everybody as well.

I think something we forget about is how racism against blacks in America is not unique. Slavery was unique, but racism, bigotry, and overall inherent dejection was/is not. Asians and many Europeans (the latter of whom are now considered mainstream whites) are just two groups who were treated just as poorly as blacks post-slavery. The argument could be made they were treated just as bad as blacks in slavery, but nobody wants to hear that. I said this to say that I have a theory that the main thing that has kept the black community from rising up like, say, the Chinese or Irish, is the expectation that the government must intervene. The government hardly did shit for Chinese and Irish, yet the epic levels of racism against them has deteriorated by magnitudes and they're at the top of the food chain now

Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
That assumes a mixed group to start with. If you already have a clear geographical divide then that economic incentive doesn't exist.
Enter: free trade and free migration. These are among the main tools that subvert bad practices by businesses due to geography.

Another argument that is extremely hard to make since nobody wants to hear it (or even write about it) is that it is possible that slavery was being subverted by the markets as is (and the Civil War created more suffering for the "same" ultimate result). Slaves were not productive at all and the costs bore by slave-owners was bigger than people think. It wouldn't have taken that much industrial growth from the 1850s and on to price slavery completely out of the market

Look at where we have slavery today. People say sweatshops are slavery, but people are wrong. By definition sweatshops are not slavery and the workers choose the labor for the wages. They also very much do not want to give up what they have. The ignoramous West would have us think that sweatshop workers don't want to do it, but they do. Wages in them have skyrocketed too, because everybody in their positions want to do it. Or there's "prostitution slavery", which is duh a product of government laws. There would be zero market for forced prostitution if it wasn't black market exclusive


This post has been pretty side tangenty, but I guess I went there for a reason.