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    6:29 PM 7/9/2009

    Today I've been playing around with the idea that I've picked up some passive habits and have been working to DESTROY THEM. I think I might have ended up spewing in some spots, but here goes.

    Hand 1: http://www.pokerhand.org/?4457568 - Villain is something like 16/13 over a small sample. I think not long before this it folded to them in the SB or BU and I 3-bet them and they folded. When he just calls the 3-bet, I feel like this centers the PPs of his range around TT or JJ and adds a few other hands like maybe AQ, AJ, KQ or some suited connectors. When he leads the flop for half-pot, I think calling leaves me open for two many scare cards (either for him or myself) which could complicate things when I'm trying to get value from 88-JJ or so. I doubt he's folding many PPs so I try to get it in. He calls leaving about 1/2 pot on the turn. I decide that I doubt he's folding his flush draws since he can justify 3:1 odds to himself since he has the potential overcards as well. He shows AA which I believe is the near-tip of his range after 65s.

    Hand 2: http://www.pokerhand.org/?4457596 - The Villain "Dima28" on the end was about 45/10 over about 20 hands when this was played and the other Villain "Toke Blume" was about 24/6 over about 20 hands so not a lot to go by. The flop c-bet may or may not be acceptable, I'm not completely sure. I have blockers to a lot of the likely broadway combinations that would continue, I have position for free cards and such, and I probably have anywhere from 3 to 7 outs on average. Once Villain calls and the 6s comes on the turn, I decide that a second barrel would have a low chance of success since his range consists almost entirely of weak-ish top pairs and second pairs along with straight draws and made flushes. It would be hard to get him to fold most of his range since a lot of his top pairs and second pairs would include one of the As/Qs/Js/Ts which would be enough of an excuse for him to call. When the 8s comes on the river he checks pretty quickly. If we assume he's folding most of his 1-pair hands without a spade then I think the bluff on the river is fine and representative of how I would play a lot of AsXx combinations including AsKx, AsJx, AsTx and As9x. However, combinations including the Qs don't make nearly as much sense as I would tend to check those on the flop unless it was KxQs, so I'm not sure if what I think about his river range is correct. He snaps me off with the Ts.

    Hand 3: http://www.pokerhand.org/?4457671 - Villain is about 26/16 over 50 hands with a very low AF on every street for a total AF of about 0.5. After I c-bet the flop and he calls, I figured he could have a good number of Queens, 22/33 for a set, something like 45/64/65 for a straight draw or any of the pocket pairs from 44 to JJ. When he checks the turn, that seems to define his range pretty well as being mostly weak 1-pair or straight-draw hands, none of which hit by the river with the exception of 77 and 88 for sets. At the time I thought a river bet would make sense as how I would play some of my Qx hands, but there's a big problem with that. If I think his range is what I said it was above, then I'm going for three streets of value with Qx since I can safely bet/fold all streets because of his lack of aggression. In addition, I'm not sure I should rely on him thinking I was taking a pot-control line with a Queen. I think the better line would have been to bet the turn planning to set up an all-in on the river (which I think is the most +EV bluff line as well as playing it like I would play the majority of my value range). Here I was snapped off by A2.

    Hand 4: http://www.pokerhand.org/?4457707 - Villain is relatively unknown but is 13/9 over a 25-hand sample. Preflop is super standard, and even though seeing a flop 4-way kind of sucks, calling is better than 3-betting especially with the players I have behind me. I pot the flop for value. I think my turn bet-sizing was a small mistake though since he could have a flush draw with the Jack of Spades, though it seems really unlikely. He shows up with AJ and I take it down.
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    like an asian

    good ruck
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    Obv take this with a very small grain of salt:

    H1- I play the same. His flop donk is something I see a lot with like 99 in this spot, which I never expect to fold and such.

    H2- I would pretty much c/f the flop, mostly bc their ranges are really ambiguous and further betting to better define them is probably building a pot I rarely expect to win, if that makes sense. Is it a leak for me to just not try in these spots like evar? With the guy playing half his hands in the pot I would just wait for value betting opportunities and not try multi-street bluffs against someone who has already shown the propensity to call more than he should.

    H3- I think that ppl tend to not respect the bet/check/bet line when I take it and to me his range seems more heavily weighted towards 2nd pair pps and weak Queens (on the flop) than straight draws, so b/c/b becomes a viable line for more value hands, but like you said we aren't really expecting him to think that way.

    H4- The likelihood of him having a FD on the turn is really low, right? We have the As so that seems to eliminate most positionally aware players' flush draws on this board. Given that I don't think there's really anything to be concerned about except how to get the money in smoothest.
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    I hope you do well. The first, second whatever posts disappoint the shit out of me but hope you get actual discussion.
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    It seems that you don't consider at all how aggressive you are perceived to be at the tables you play. I think you play a LAG pre-flop game and are generally fairly aggressive post-flop. Even absolute fish are likely to notice this, especially the one-tabler types. When you appear loose and aggro these same fish will start to assume that you are bluffing a lot - meaning that it is time to bluff less and value-bet more.

    Hand 1:
    BvsB where you have recently 3-bet them makes this hand interesting. My feel for his range once he calls the 3-bet is that it is going to be mostly pocket pairs, strong aces, suited aces and broadways. The flop donk doesn't tell you anything, he could do that with any of his range so I think that not raising would be criminal. Once he calls the flop raise his range becomes more like 22/99+/A5s/AdKd and none of these are going to be folding the turn but scare cards could cause problems. Hand played fine.
    I would possibly play it differently if I had a read/stats on his post-flop aggression and/or folding frequencies. For a passive player the flop donk narrows his range heavily and I think calling would become the better option.

    Hand 2:
    Pre-flop iso is good. Flop I c-bet here a lot cos this flop smashes your range and villains have pairs (mostly folding) and Ax (mostly folding) more often than broadway combos. The turn is interesting, I like checking behind for the reasons you have stated. River you have about zero showdown value so you either check behind and abandon the pot or take a shot at it. I think it's fair to assume that he's folding any hand without a spade, but I think betting $12 accomplishes the same. $12 to win $32 is close to 30% and he has a flush less then 1/3 of the time

    Hand 3:
    even fish try to think of what you have. They think in hand strength rather than ranges though. Your line looks like exactly what it is, turn is a better spot to bluff. Checking behind turn screams "weak", betting the river after this screams "trying to steal pot with AK or similar". Would you bet TT for value here? JQ? if so, you shouldn't be bluffing.

    Hand 4
    Is this super-standard pre cos you want to get squeezed? I call here with squeezers/high 3-bet types behind, and 3-bet every other time. The reason against calling if there is unlikely to be a 3-bet is the fish-collaboration thing, more callers means more callers, means calling is more likely to become correct with ATC. A limit phenomenon I guess, but it applies even more here cos of implied odds. As played you should always be raising this flop cos you're ahead of almost all of UTG's range (exceptions only JJ/88). I dislike your turn betsizing as you're unlikely folding rivers given pot-odds, so why not get more money in ahead. Is he really folding more often to $19 than to $13? River is fine, He has AJ/QQ/KK way more often than JJ.
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    <@spoonitnow> http://www.pokerhand.org/?4515223
    <@spoonitnow> Villain is 18/10 and I've seen him limp/call AK, KQs, 88 and JJ in EP
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    I like bet/check/bet, we get value from floated middle pairs that way and don't get completely value-towned vs better hands. If he's really passive we could even fold to a river bet.
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    I like bet/check/bet, but I'd make it bigger on the flop - this is too good of a hand to pot control like a bbickes imo...
    I don't think it really influences his range that much whether you're betting 1/2 or 2/3 for value.
    But I almost like bet/bet/bet better against most opponents. I think it really comes down to what fits best with the way you're playing...
    whatever you're most comfortable with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    <@spoonitnow> http://www.pokerhand.org/?4515223
    <@spoonitnow> Villain is 18/10 and I've seen him limp/call AK, KQs, 88 and JJ in EP
    check behin d but if checked too id definitly full pot maybe overpot the river
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    Why are you playing 100NL?

    I mean, havent you played poker for a while now? I reached 100NL in little more than 50K hands from 20 USD, and I considered you a better player than me- until now.

    Is this stagnation the reaon you feel you have to be nasty to people?
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    Not to speak for Spoon, but I'm fairly sure he grinds for a living. Hard to move up when you're constantly withdrawing to live life. Hell IDK.

    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    http://www.pokerhand.org/?4522099
    Limp/Shove A9s WTF
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    Spoon reminds me of this Russian guy;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oppi...rom=PL&index=6

    "Putting all his money in with KJ- calling. This is not someone to learn from".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot
    Spoon reminds me of this Russian guy;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oppi...rom=PL&index=6

    "Putting all his money in with KJ- calling. This is not someone to learn from".
    and u remind me of TonyG.
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    Sir Pawnalot has violated rule #1 of the FTR Rules of Conduct twice in this thread. Any further violations will be reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot
    Spoon reminds me of this Russian guy;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oppi...rom=PL&index=6

    "Putting all his money in with KJ- calling. This is not someone to learn from".
    you serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt
    Not to speak for Spoon, but I'm fairly sure he grinds for a living. Hard to move up when you're constantly withdrawing to live life. Hell IDK.

    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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    Quote Originally Posted by hangchiong
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot
    Spoon reminds me of this Russian guy;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oppi...rom=PL&index=6

    "Putting all his money in with KJ- calling. This is not someone to learn from".
    you serious?
    Not really.

    I have a lot of respect for spoonitnows articles and posts- and I have learned a great deal from him.

    But he knows I am socially retarded, and therefore I think he is being cruel when he intentionally mocks me- like many of you have been doing ever since I joined.

    I wanted to see the reaction from a "normal person", because I get angry when people mock me, and I was thinking maybe it is just me who can not stand the mockery.

    I am happy he got angry, because it shows my reactions too are considered normal . Also remember that I do not get rid of memories, so when you say ugly things it sticks until the day I die.
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    Lol spoon angry at this.

    [04:09pm] [spoon_grind] http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...34.html#926731
    [04:09pm] [spoon_grind] lool
    [04:09pm] [spoon_grind] i love it

    ?wut
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