Self Discipline and Me

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Be easy baby. Let him do his own thing. If he wants to keep donking around and contributing to the poker economy, that's fine. If he wants to become a winning player, that's fine too.

Good deuce im pleased its your last post, as for deciding who gets to speak, sorry my mistake didn't know you was the god around here. As it goes I am not following Bankroll Management for the coming month it is a conscious descision I have made, we are all free thinking beings and capabable of making our own choices.

My game has grown immensely thanks to the comments of seasoned players here over the past few months and continues to grow everyday. How dare you petition them not to offer advice, because my playing style does not follow the same bankroll management that your more conventional play does. How dare you, I missed the part of the FTR terms that said if you don't follow BR management you can't ask for and receive playing advice, my mistake. I have developed a new strategy which is not based on BR management but is none the less well thought out. Time will tell if it is successful or not.

slevin you gotta stop saying you've developed new strategies. Good on yah for admitting yer not following BR management, but don't delude yourself into thinking it's some alternative, and equally valid 'strategy'.

BR management was developed because pros who have been playing the game for decades notices how very swingy this game is, and noticed that padding was necessary to not go broke during the inevitable downswings. The less conservative you are with your BR, the more likely you are to go broke and have to reload. If you succeed this time it's because you happened to hit a heater, not because your new strategy of not following BR management was somehow more valid than following proper BR management guidelines.

You seem to suffer from classic gambler's overconfidence. I did too when I first started. I tried to build my roll from $50 playing 25NL. It took me 4 times reloading before I hit a heater and it was just sheer luck that I didn't happen to hit a downswing that decimated my roll. Once I had built it up to $500 I then followed BR management guidelines because it was such a rough ride up to $500 that through experience I realized how risky it was to play underrolled.

I suspect you have the personality (similar to me) where you've gotta get burned a few times before you learn not to touch that hot stove, but when people here get frustrated with you -- know that it's because they've all been burned, and the naive sense of invincibility you seem to carry with you had the implication of invalidating what they've all learned through the experience that you lack.

That being said -- it's silly to get frustrated with you, or berate you for not listening. Eventually you'll realize the importance of BR management. Either that or you'll keep depositing time and time again. Either way, no skin of any of our backs.

I wish you luck man. Just remember that this game is an ongoing learning process, and the most important thing about conservative BR management is how it allows you to get the experience you need to move up the ranks without costing you significant coin. The learning process simply can't be rushed. All pros have played millions of hands and through that experience, their instincts have been finely tuned. You need that instinct to succeed at the levels you try to take stabs at, so by not following BR management you're basically choosing a considerably more expensive learning path.

So I guess I'll be seeing you on the $27 turbos that I donk around at. Good luck man!

Why we need BR management. My last 3 months after hitting an all time high BR in June and withdrawing some money, July almost ended my poker career. Most of the flat part is Aug, where I tore myself apart trying to fix whatever the hell I did.

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sick jyms, makes me feel better, so thanks I guess

thanks for sharing that jyms im pleased you wheathered the storm, was it anything in particular you found that was causing it or just vairance? It reminds me of a question that i've been meaning to ask for a while - anyone please feel free to answer... I was wondering out of the people that have been playing for at least a year regularly most days, what is the longest 'losing' period they have had, and what is the 'average' losing period they've had. Like has it been not making money for 2 months, or have any of you gone longer than that? also the more experienced players, is there a 'run bad average' that you just think is comfortable in terms of time, say for instance you were running bad for a week, are you able to think I'd expect this to last no more than x amount of time on average? and what would that x amount of time be? Obviously the question only really makes sense for the regular players that have been playing for a year or probabally longer, but I'd be really interested at what the answers were, cheers.

edit: should probabally replace time with hands to be more accurate but I think you get where I'm coming from with this question

Thanks Dozer for your kind words - yeah the gambler in me is on the reigns at the moment - I just feel liberated now I've decided to throw a little caution to the wind. Eventually I will follow sound bankroll management - I know from reading the threads here and everyones previous comments that it's the optimum strategy, but I'm just prepared to have a bit of a gamble for a month or two and see what happens, It will only be a short term thing a month or two at most and if I develop a roll in the process all the better, either way I will return to BR management at some point soon, that's for sure. I look forward to getting my chips taken at a rate of knots if I stumble onto one of your tables

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'm just prepared to have a bit of a gamble for a month or two and see what happens, It will only be a short term thing a month or two at most and if I develop a roll in the process all the better

This - along with your admission that you find it difficult to get motivated at micro stakes - sounds like the classic 'chasing losses/build a big roll fast' syndrome.

Thing is, what makes you think you'll slow down once you got the $$$? Judging from your posts, you'll either stay at that level, and come off the heater, or move up to even bigger stakes.

And the most important question, should you make the $$$, is what makes you think you'll be able to return to $1/$5/$10 tourneys when you've been playing $33 & $50 (or whatever the stakes you play)?

As people have pointed out, the test is not so much to be a winning player but to self discipline yourself. Not to chase losses (hard, I know) and be able to move back down when necessary.

You say you'll eventually follow BRM but why? Why not now? Hasn't the fact you've been unable to do so told you something? I think you know the answers to these questions, and they severely undermine your attempts to be the Poker God you want to become.

Good luck 'n' all but I feel that you're in a lose-lose situation. Either you'll continue to be outclassed and lose your roll or you'll go on a hot streak and be unable to return to the lower stakes for which your roll/skill level should be.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I missed the part of the FTR terms that said if you don't follow BR management you can't ask for and receive playing advice, my mistake.

Why would anyone waste their time trying to give advice or assistance to help someone improve their at-the-table play to someone who is destined to fail because they ignore BRM? Your willingness to throw BRM advice out the door, means you are 1) ignorant (don't have the information necessary), 2) stubborn (unwilling to consider changing your plans), and 3) generally non-thinking (aren't able to see the logic in others advice). I don't mean for this to be a flame, but those are legitimate conclusions to draw from your actions and words. Best of luck... it's highly possible that you will hit some win streaks and feel like a million bucks, but those highs will never last, because if you ignore BRM, you are mathematically GUARANTEED to go bust. Have fun with that.

Originally Posted by kingnat

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I missed the part of the FTR terms that said if you don't follow BR management you can't ask for and receive playing advice, my mistake.

Why would anyone waste their time trying to give advice or assistance to help someone improve their at-the-table play to someone who is destined to fail because they ignore BRM? Your willingness to throw BRM advice out the door, means you are 1) ignorant (don't have the information necessary), 2) stubborn (unwilling to consider changing your plans), and 3) generally non-thinking (aren't able to see the logic in others advice). I don't mean for this to be a flame, but those are legitimate conclusions to draw from your actions and words. Best of luck... it's highly possible that you will hit some win streaks and feel like a million bucks, but those highs will never last, because if you ignore BRM, you are mathematically GUARANTEED to go bust. Have fun with that.

Absolutely Kingnat. It's like this. If a player came to FTR asking for advice and wanting help to beat poker, but kept posting hands where he played 72o or K5s UTG, and everyone kept telling him to fold those hands pre flop. If this player refused to listen, taking the stance that he didn't ask for preflop advice, just how to play post flop (because any two cards can win don't you know) then nobody would bother with any help. We all know the mathematical reasoning for folding 72o, and are not going to move on with advice until the player learns to fold that hand. BRM is the same thing. We all understand the math behind BRM and why you must have it to be a winning player. It is an absolute, if you want to play poker seriously and win long term, then it must be adhered to. It would be stupid of us to dispense post flop advice to a player not adhering to the basic math of preflop because it's the cart before the horse. To dispense any poker advice to anyone that will not adhere to BRM is a waste of our time and effort that could be put into any other player that has learned the very first step to poker success.

From his blog:

"I thought what do I want out of this? Am I happy settling for a slowly increasing bankroll over the next 6 months or do I want something more immediate? If more immediate, what steps can I take to give myself the best chance of success? Well the result was a one page strategy - i’ve called the 36k strategem which sets out a plan for me amassing 36k of poker wealth."

Actually there are quite a few professional players, and indeed regular players here who built the majority of their early roll by not following good BR management and then followed decent BR management once they had done so, I can provide examples if required. Just because someone doesn't play like a nit with their bankroll doesn't mean they are doomed to failure. I am somewhat of a maverick in life.

I will grow my overal strategy at the table by following sound advice and reading strategy daily, I will not allow myself to get bogged down in the mundane 'grind' that I read so many people engadged in however at this early juncture in my poker career. As I said I will revert eventually but for now I'm just going to play what ever stakes feel appropriate and see what happens. In fact I expect to be playing in 2k buy in tournaments within the next four weeks.

As to those people that keep groaning on something along the lines of ... blah blah... not worthy of our time... blah blah... not following br management blah blah... I say simply this is an operation thread, read it if you want or dont. But please don't constantly spam it up with comments that I am not worthy of your time. This thread is a record for myself to chart my own progress in the poker community, and further a repository of advice and thoughts from any well meaning individuals that may profer their advice. I have had quite enough of the 'you're not worthy' sentiments, and the 'us/we/ Vs you' that spikes the occasional posts so would kindly ask that you leave them at the door of my operation thread.

Originally Posted by Thunder

From his blog:

what steps can I take to give myself the best chance of failure? Well the result was a one page strategy - i’ve called the -36k strategem which sets out a plan for me amassing 36k of poker debt within a short space of time. I plan to do this by having huge holes in my game and playing the highest stakes I can afford."

FYP

Everyone here barring a handful of people has huge wholes in their game so I'm not too concerned with that, the first step of betterment is admitting you don't know it all (ahem.)

Barring the odd $50 that I've borrowed once or twice, owing to the fact I've agreed to pay $70 back within a week, and always have, I don't do debt. So there is never any poker debt, just lost buyins, which I can actually afford in the first place.

And yes playing the highest stakes I can afford is a key part of the 36k strategem.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Everyone here barring a handful of people has huge wholes in their game so I'm not too concerned with that, the first step of betterment is admitting you don't know it all (ahem.)

I agree, everyone has holes in their game, but most ppl on this site are actually beating their level. So sure they could beat the game for more bb/100 or a bigger ROI at that level if they plugged their leaks - but at least they are winning at one given level - whether this be 2nl or 5knl. They'll also have to evolve as they move up stakes to beat the better players.

However in your case, you do not have the required basic skill to beat $1 SNG's - you only need very basic skill to beat these and you persist to play stakes anywhere upto x50 higher than this. With your skill level being so low its inevitable that your going to lose a lot more money.

My skill set isn't as low as you would like to think. I do not understand why I am having trouble building a role at the 6$ and below sng's but I can be fairly sure it isn't because of my skill set. From reading here daily for the last 3 months I am sure I am well above the skill set needed to beat these tables, there isn't much by way of questions that people ask concerning ABC poker that I don't answer first in my head and then read I was generally on the right lines. Evidence speaks to the contrary though, so I will be doing what Warpe suggested on more than one occasion, and posting more hands when I play. I've already started doing that yesterday. I love the game of poker and am not enjoying it anymore because I feel bored to death by the restrictions BR management imposes that is why I'm having a break from BR discipline and just playing for a month or so. If I lose money for two months so be it, i've done that for the last three months so it will be no great loss, but on the chance that I win and make money I'll be further on than I am now from a poker money perspective and then will start seriously following BR management. I will be posting many more hands over the coming month and hope to gain some insight, I will also be sending Daven a tournement history or two which he's kindly agreed to review for me. Then, If I'm told that my strategy at the table is floored *then* I will happily take on what ever advice I need to improve. But do not assume for want or some other reason that I'm strategically a weak player, I actually find that quite insulting.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I do not understand why I am having trouble building a role at the 6$ and below sng's

Judging by the hands Stacks posted, it could have something to do with raising to isolate with K4o and the following hands.

Stacks:
UTG bubby33 (1400)
UTG+1 BlackTieAHi (1310)
CO Stainley88 (1510)
BTN WpgJ (1560)
SB dlkbj1 (1650)
BB LkySlev1n (1570)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 6 players)
1 fold, BlackTieAHi calls 20, 1 fold, WpgJ raises to 80, 1 fold, LkySlev1n calls 60, BlackTieAHi folds

Flop: (190, 2 players)
LkySlev1n checks, WpgJ bets 100, LkySlev1n raises to 220, WpgJ goes all-in 1480, LkySlev1n calls 1260

Turn: (3150, 2 players)

River: (3150, 2 players)

Final Pot: 3150
LkySlev1n shows:
WpgJ shows:

WpgJ wins 3150 ( won +1590 )
LkySlev1n lost -1560
BlackTieAHi lost -20


Stacks:
UTG dR_tactics ($2.65)
UTG+1 botb2 ($12.35)
CO LkySlev1n ($18.65)
BTN Andy Kay 26 ($5.95)
SB MMA HerRo1 ($10.55)
BB prodc1982 ($9.75)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players)
2 folds, LkySlev1n calls $0.10, Andy Kay 26 raises to $0.30, MMA HerRo1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, LkySlev1n calls $0.20

Flop: ($1, 3 players)
MMA HerRo1 checks, LkySlev1n bets $2, Andy Kay 26 raises to $4, MMA HerRo1 folds, LkySlev1n goes all-in $18.35, Andy Kay 26 goes all-in $1.65

Turn: ($25, 2 players)

River: ($25, 2 players)

Final Pot: $12.30
Andy Kay 26 shows:
LkySlev1n shows:

Andy Kay 26 wins $11.70 ( won +$5.75 )
LkySlev1n wins $12.70 ( lost -$5.95 )
MMA HerRo1 lost -$0.30


Stacks:
UTG LkySlev1n (1220)
UTG+1 maloyd (1030)
CO KWORTERZ (1430)
BTN john2012 (1480)
SB trancos221 (2060)
BB SmallGiant7 (1780)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 6 players)
LkySlev1n calls 20, 2 folds, john2012 calls 20, 1 fold, SmallGiant7 raises to 80, LkySlev1n calls 60, john2012 calls 60

Flop: (250, 3 players)
SmallGiant7 checks, LkySlev1n bets 160, john2012 folds, SmallGiant7 calls 160

Turn: (570, 2 players)
SmallGiant7 checks, LkySlev1n goes all-in 980, SmallGiant7 calls 980

River: (2530, 2 players)

Final Pot: 2530
SmallGiant7 shows:
LkySlev1n shows:

SmallGiant7 wins 2530 ( won +1310 )
LkySlev1n lost -1220
john2012 lost -80

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

but I can be fairly sure it isn't because of my skill set.

See above hands.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

From reading here daily for the last 3 months I am sure I am well above the skill set needed to beat these tables

If you were, you would. And you wouldn't play the above hands as you did.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I feel bored to death by the restrictions BR management imposes

This was my point in my very first post in this thread. If you get bored now, what makes you think you can drop down? What make s you think you can stick to any BRM at any level. Even if you have $30k, you'll still be wanting to play at $5k.

And, as someone asked, what makes you think you can beat the higher stakes?

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

But do not assume for want or some other reason that I'm strategically a weak player, I actually find that quite insulting.

See the above hands.


As said, good luck to ya but my initial post asked many pertinent questions. I think you know the answer to them and it doesn't bode well for any poker career.

I too struggle to take the micro low levels seriously and it is something that has stopped me being a cash player. But I also know that the only way I will ever become successful (or at least not massively in the shit) is if I adhere to BRM and play at sensible levels.

Still, all the best with your "get rich quick" scheme.

These are not recent hands, they were picked as they are the exception to my play, and the OP wanted to belittle me.

Oh and for the record the 'I dont talk while I'm playing' was a response to an FTR regular that was insulting me while railing in front of the other players, and challenging me to Heads Up matches. Perhaps you can see where some of my attitude towards overly critical comments comes from now.

You're going it alone, and against the advice of the board, so you may as well explain your strategy.

Go on, you know you want to!

Originally Posted by redpalo

You regs are so nice /bow. Stacks, I'm gonna go through all your links today and try to plug some leaks in my SNG game. Your time was not wasted there, thanks.

Seems at least you wish to improve. Pm sent.

Props to you Slev1n on another 5 thread. Don't listin to what everyone else is saying. Faith in yourself is all you really need. I'll be sure to rail you in those 2k tournies in about a month. I'll be the one in the chat rooting for you. Also, I'll be sure to keep an eye out for your threads as I do really get endless amounts of joy out of them.


ohh almost forgot the popcorn eating dude.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

My skill set isn't as low as you would like to think... But do not assume for want or some other reason that I'm strategically a weak player, I actually find that quite insulting.

Your analysis of your own skill set is rather skewed.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

, I will not allow myself to get bogged down in the mundane 'grind' that I read so many people engadged in however at this early juncture in my poker career. .

imagine this.
If you had spent the last three months in the mundane grind, sticking to brm and actually reading the articles we linked you too rather saying you had and not doing so then...
you probably would be about $2k in profit rather than >$1k in the red. But, if $3000 is mundane to you, well, I guess we think about things differently.

Also, if you pay $2k to play a tournament during the next few weeks then you're burning money.

Originally Posted by KillsAids

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker

I'm betting 100$ against that happening. Anyone wants to book that?

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'll take that bet from any one regular at even money, upto 100$

Seems you have busted before the end of the operation AND are not taking 6 months of break. That means I get 100$ off of you no?

Originally Posted by KillsAids

Originally Posted by KillsAids

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker

I'm betting 100$ against that happening. Anyone wants to book that?

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'll take that bet from any one regular at even money, upto 100$

Seems you have busted before the end of the operation AND are not taking 6 months of break. That means I get 100$ off of you no?

I remember this.. And he said he was a man of his word. You run so good mailman.. $100 bucks richer.

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

I remember this.. And he said he was a man of his word. You run so good mailman.. $100 bucks richer.

I actually thought he'd take like a month of break then bail out. but he took none. so yay for me ;]

I will not allow myself to get bogged down in the mundane 'grind' that I read so many people engadged in however at this early juncture in my poker career.

It offended me on a very personal level that you would say this, and this probably made me madder than anything that I've ever read regarding poker in my lifetime.

First you made a complete jackass out of yourself and I didn't join in to make fun of you. Against the recommendations of many of my peers, I offered my best bankroll management advice to you. You shit on that advice, and again still I offered my best advice on how you could quickly become +EV in poker and actually make money, even though I was told time and time again that I was wasting my time. You neglect to realize that by giving this advice at all I'm making the games harder not only for myself, but for my many friends on this site, especially since they have your screen name and would be absolutely dying to sit with you. You blow hundreds of dollars in games you have absolutely no chance of beating after I make every reasonable effort to help you become profitable, but this isn't enough for you.

More than once I put your interest, a complete stranger, ahead of my own, so that maybe you could get a piece of the profits too and that could make your life better. To repay my kindness, now you blatantly disrespect me in front of the entire community. You have asserted that you are better than me because you are above the grind, and the grind is where I (along with everyone else here) make my money in poker.

I've got news for you. If you don't give a fuck about the grind then the grind isn't going to give a fuck about you.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

My skill set isn't as low as you would like to think. I do not understand why I am having trouble building a role at the 6$ and below sng's but I can be fairly sure it isn't because of my skill set.

lol, ur skill set isn't even good enough to beat a $1 SNG, period. It's not a difficult proposition, your a losing player at all levels because you have no decent foundation to your game. I don't know why this is such a hard thing for you to see - maybe because your head is so far up your own arse.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

My skill set isn't as low as you would like to think. I do not understand why I am having trouble building a role at the 6$ and below sng's but I can be fairly sure it isn't because of my skill set. From reading here daily for the last 3 months I am sure I am well above the skill set needed to beat these tables.

More well-meant advice that you will likely not take:
While reading at this site (or maybe, like, books) does consist of studying and can be beneficial to your game, posting here does not.

Of course there are exceptions -- posting HHs for review (keep that up), or asking questions about theory you don't quite understand can be beneficial, provided that the responses are well-thought out (which thankfully they typically are here.)

But posting your own theories as a beginning poker player is not beneficial. Fielding answers to very basic questions is not beneficial to your game, though it may be beneficial to other readers.

What's even less helpful is stumbling around in your own threads like a wounded animal and actively defending your misplayed hands, general skill level, and wildly unconventional bankroll management. Because

A) You are not studying while you are doing this. You are posting. The time you think you've spent studying has probably mostly been wasted.

B) When you defend your logic, you are actively reinforcing poor play and poor bankroll management in your mind. What you're doing is worse than ignoring good advice. Answer honestly in your head: when other posters put up hands that you supposedly played badly, did you think to yourself "ha, ha, I guess you got me there. I'll make sure never to do that again." Or did were your thoughts more along the lines of "what a vindictive #!?*. He took those hands out of context! All the great players make big plays like that sometimes. Etc, etc."
You are taking good advice and turning it into a means to cement the bad ideas that are already killing your game and your bank account. This is the worst case scenario.

Ask yourself -- how much of your time here has been spent reading and seriously considering the concepts you've read? Certainly not the entire 3 months you've been here.
(BTW-- 3 months is not a long time studying poker. AT ALL. I've been studying -- actually studying -- for about 4 years and I'm still not especially good. At 3 months, I was a joke.)

Hell, even if you spend twice as much time reading as you do posting (which I seriously doubt), you're undoing all your work by vigorously defending yourself when you do post.

And before you come back pointing at the winning regs on this site with high post counts as counterexamples, I feel confident in saying that they understand that what they are doing while posting is primarily helping others, not helping themselves (thanks, dudes.)

I'd suggest you take that break from poker. And that you take a break from posting. Seriously. Spend some time really studying the game. You can read here. You certainly should read some books. Watch videos. Pay a tutor, if that's an option. You enjoy poker now right? Think of how much more you would enjoy it if you were winning.

I've had it with the ego's in here. This operation is over as is the bulk of my posting I've concluded it is seriously -ev for me to continue to post so will be cutting my posting down.

Spoon for someone as seemingly open-minded as yourself I find it hard to beleive that you would take such a wacky stance. I don't see why me finding the grind mundane (which I do) should induce such a response in you. Perhaps it is because you are just getting over a downswing I don't know? As I've pointed out to balance my views more than once I know the 'grind' is where it's at and I also know that to make it long term in poker you need to follow good BR. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone for not doing so, quite the contrary I know that long term my strategy is no good. However I'm not speaking long term i'm speaking a month or two at most as I have already said countless times. Variance can hit at any time in small pockets or large pockets, as you'd agree - and I'm hoping it will with my playing outside of a decent BR strategy. Why you would take offence at this I do not know? For the record, you're in the bracket of posters I mentioned at the start of my thread that I value what they say and appreciate the time you take to post - so no harm intended.

As to the 100$ bet killsaids, if you scroll up you may notice you never actually accepted my bet?

Anyway ladies and gentleman I wish you all the very best in your poker quests. As I've also said before I've improved a little from the *every so often* well meant and well thought out advice that's been offered to me through this site and for that I'm grateful.

Considering you guys pride yourselves in being accepting and helpful towards new poker players I really think you should conduct a little self analysis. I'd say it's about 70/30 in favour of helpful and well meant advice to ego puffing or just ill-thought out comments that have very little value to a someone trying to improve their game.

Anyway as I say I won't be posting anywhere near as much as I have been in the past - but would like to take this opportunity to thank anyone that has been kind enough to offer their advice over the past 3 or so months. For me at least it's unfortunate but for the time being there are greater ev things I can be doing with my time that arguing with people here - about why we are all entitled to do what we best see fit to improve our poker career. Good luck, and thanks again.

Any moderator that feels this op thread has spiralled please feel free to lock it at your will - at any point in the future, and rest assured - I won't be creating another one

Originally Posted by Muzzard

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

My skill set isn't as low as you would like to think. I do not understand why I am having trouble building a role at the 6$ and below sng's but I can be fairly sure it isn't because of my skill set.

lol, ur skill set isn't even good enough to beat a $1 SNG, period. It's not a difficult proposition, your a losing player at all levels because you have no decent foundation to your game. I don't know why this is such a hard thing for you to see - maybe because your head is so far up your own arse.

You really are the biggest ego sufferer I've met here, you need to work to plug your obvious failings and stop trying to do so at others expense. You also need to find better ways to express yourself as your constant natural inclination totwards vulgar language does nothing but express your immature, undeveloped mindset. I ask that other people here look out for him in future as he has a tendancy to needlessly attack new posters (i've noticed it on more than one occasion) - and while he may not be able to help it, for where he is currently at in his life, it is no doubt -ev for the new poster. Luckily I am englightened enough to see his comments as the indicatives about himself that they are, but not everyone will be.

Good luck, Gary

We have all tried to help you.. You are a lost cause. You haven't the ability to get past the very first step in poker success (bankroll management ldo), and for that you will fail, as you have done in the past. You say that now you are free from the grind, and the restrictions placed upon you by sound BRM. And that because of this you feel you will be able to play a more sound game, and "amass 36k worth of poker wealth"...

However, you forget how for the past few months you have done exactly that.. You've ignored BRM. You've not grinded. You have been an absolute failure as a poker player, and will continue to be, unless.....Nope, nevermind. You will continue to be a failure at poker. The most solid thing you can do for your poker "career" is to stop right now, but your too stupid to do that. That's fine with me.

Originally Posted by Luckyslevin

In fact I expect to be playing in 2k buy in tournaments within the next four weeks.

I read this and laugh my ass off knowing some 2k buyin pro is going to read this and cream his pants because he realizes that one day in the near future he is gonna hit the jackpot. I thought you were delusional, but you have forever cemented that belief into my mind with this statement. You sir, will never be a winner at poker. Never!!

We have all tried to you, but you have failed to learn. So please proceed to get the fuck out of this forum!!! Also, we all knew you wouldn't take the break. And we also all knew you wouldn't pay KillsAids the money that you owe him. You are not only a horrible gambler, but your dishonest, and as far as I'm concerned a piece of shit (oh noes... He had to use vulgarity!!). It's simple, we don't want you around here. There are plenty of players that will listen, and then succeed where you have failed. Kick rocks bitch!.

God you really are a twat do you know that? You are not FTR.

FTR is the community of posters. You are no better than anyone else (in fact .. no I wont go there).

And if by 'we' you mean the hardcore/veterans you are no where near experienced, good enough, or intelligent enough to put yourself in the same bracket as spoon, kmind, daven,dozer, chardrian, warpe, jyms, bankitdrew, taipen et al. That have been here for a while, are good at what they do, and actually offer advice from the heart in an attempt to help peoples games. Some people actually care about helping others here if you hadn't realised that? I've been meaning to point that out to you for some time now. You are in the same bracket as muzzard in fact. A 'wannabee veteran' that has completely missed the point of why these people are so well esteemed. Regardless of how many hours you spend in the IRC chat room, I'm afraid that is the truth of the matter. I'm not engadging in any flame wars that you so enjoy either, I simply wanted to reply to set the record straight once and for all. You can reply if you like I wouldn't bother though - chances are I won't be reading it, and certainly won't be replying. So go find someone else to have a flame war with - you may check out the teen chat on msn chat - I'd guess that it would probababally be more suited to you, as no doubt - you will no post some trite defending your indefensible position.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

God you really are a twat do you know that? You are not FTR.

FTR is the community of posters. You are no better than anyone else (in fact .. no I wont go there).

And if by 'we' you mean the hardcore/veterans you are no where near experienced, good enough, or intelligent enough to put yourself in the same bracket as spoon, kmind, daven,dozer, chardrian, warpe, jyms, bankitdrew, et al. So I don't know why you bother. I've been meaning to point that out to you for some time now. You are in the same bracket as muzzard in fact. A 'wannabee veteran' that has completely missed the point of why these people are so well esteemed. Regardless of how many hours you spend in the IRC chat room, I'm afraid that is the truth of the matter.

Lol. You are truly the most delusional individual I have ever met. Nowhere have I ever claimed to be a seasoned veteran.. I am very much a new player, and very much a beginner. I speak on only what I feel I know rather well, because frankly, unlike you, I don't like to stick my head up my ass, and I don't care too much for having to eat my own words. This can be proven the very few hands I have commented on. I don't play well enough to tell other individuals how to play a specific hand that I am unsure of. So thanks for pointing out what I already knew? I guess..

And as far "I'm no better than anyone else".. lol.. You really leave yourself open quite a bit don't you?? I'm OBVIOUSLY better than you. By a shitload. You really are the saddest type of degen. Not only do you realize you are losing large sums of money, and make outrageous goals that you will fix the problem, you honestly think you just run really bad. That poker is all luck, and you just haven't hit any good luck yet. It's sad, but that's fine. Only your life to ruin, which you will probably do.

Stop ignoring the wealth of advice in this thread just to focus on what you see as flaming.


If you ever have that "aha! moment" either in your poker career or regular life, and by some chance someone is filming you at the time (ohplease ohplease ohplease), i would appreciate it if you put that video up on youtube. Because that revelation would be damn near biblical.

I'm not ignoring anything. I have taken it all on board cowbardyee if you had actually bothered to read what I have said. I KNOW that BR management is sensible, I chose not to follow it, that is my choice. I don't see why you can't grasp the fact that someone can have a different view to you.

I can't beleive i've been sucked into this inane twaddle once again. I WILL NOT BE POSTING ANYMORE. Eat your hearts out with any future derisory comments you wish to post, I will not be answering them.

Oh and thanks for the kind words Casey - much appreciated.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'm not ignoring anything. I have taken it all on board cowbardyee if you had actually bothered to read what I have said. I KNOW that BR management is sensible, I chose not to follow it, that is my choice. I don't see why you can't grasp the fact that someone can have a different view to you.

I can't beleive i've been sucked into this inane twaddle once again. I WILL NOT BE POSTING ANYMORE. Eat your hearts out with any future derisory comments you wish to post, I will not be answering them.

About damn time.. Peace!

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

God you really are a twat do you know that? You are not FTR.

FTR is the community of posters. You are no better than anyone else (in fact .. no I wont go there).

And if by 'we' you mean the hardcore/veterans you are no where near experienced, good enough, or intelligent enough to put yourself in the same bracket as spoon, kmind, daven,dozer, chardrian, warpe, jyms, bankitdrew, et al. So I don't know why you bother. I've been meaning to point that out to you for some time now. You are in the same bracket as muzzard in fact. A 'wannabee veteran' that has completely missed the point of why these people are so well esteemed. Regardless of how many hours you spend in the IRC chat room, I'm afraid that is the truth of the matter.

Lol. You are truly the most delusional individual I have ever met. Nowhere have I ever claimed to be a seasoned veteran.. I am very much a new player, and very much a beginner. I speak on only what I feel I know rather well, because frankly, unlike you, I don't like to stick my head up my ass, and I don't care too much for having to eat my own words. This can be proven the very few hands I have commented on. I don't play well enough to tell other individuals how to play a specific hand that I am unsure of. So thanks for pointing out what I already knew? I guess..

And as far "I'm no better than anyone else".. lol.. You really leave yourself open quite a bit don't you?? I'm OBVIOUSLY better than you. By a shitload. You really are the saddest type of degen. Not only do you realize you are losing large sums of money, and make outrageous goals that you will fix the problem, you honestly think you just run really bad. That poker is all luck, and you just haven't hit any good luck yet. It's sad, but that's fine. Only your life to ruin, which you will probably do.

Now we get to the heart of the issue, this is the problem - do you not understand it is not about perceived betterness are you really that shallow that you need to find validation in a perceived betterness than a 3-month old member of the sites poker playing abilities?

OK You've made my point fantastically. I can't beleive I've been sucked into this inane twaddle once again. I SHALL NOT be posting any more in this thread. Eat your heart out with whichever replies you care to write, I shan't be reading them. I really do hope you sort your life out though mate.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

I'm not ignoring anything. I have taken it all on board cowbardyee if you had actually bothered to read what I have said. I KNOW that BR management is sensible, I chose not to follow it, that is my choice. I don't see why you can't grasp the fact that someone can have a different view to you.

I think your biggest downfall is that you don't understand that not only is your particular view "different", it is also incorrect.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

As to the 100$ bet killsaids, if you scroll up you may notice you never actually accepted my bet?

I thought I offered the bet to any takers?

I've had to post despite saying I wouldn't as this is concerneing a bet so needs to be clarified. Yes you did, and I said I would take that bet 'from any one regular' after you posted your offer, but no one replied to take my bet.

If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker as it will have proved to me that I'm not emotionally developed enough to succeed with my current mind/circumstance set.

Do you not see the problem with this statement? If you end up "donking your bankroll" through bad discipline then how the hell will you have the discipline to not play for 6 whole months?

The issue is not with your poker skill, admittedly terrible at the moment, but with the way you are going about developing it. You seem like a smart person and your lack of skill has nothing to do with your intelligence, but perhaps with your overall demeanor and attitude.

Bankroll management IS necessary to become a good player, not just because you could go broke. You (and this applies to everyone) must learn solid play at the lower limits because it gets harder and harder as you move up(esp in a post UIGEA world). Look at the professionals you so admire - The Matusow's and Gordon's of the poker world are a joke compared to the Ivey's and Antonious's. Because the latter started out at the lower limits and worked their way up.

Do not put off good bankroll management. If you do so now, you will NEVER adhere to it. It's the same as the guy who promises to pay you back but you know won't. It's the lazy roommate who says he will take out the trash but isn't going to. DO NOT put this off, because once you do start this foolishness, it is almost impossible to do it right.

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I suggest that first off Luckyslevin stop making blogs and OP threads. FTR is a place where we discuss ideas and thoughts on the best ways to beat the games. FTR has been around since 2004 and there are just some rules that must be adhered to to beat poker. They are based in mathematics, and you refuse to use those proven guidelines.

As for the rest. Everything that needed to be said has been said. There can't be any more piling on, Slevin refuses to accept the help and does not want it. So this is how it will go. If you want to post advice to anything he asks, advise. If you can't stick to the topic then do not post. We can't have FTR berating and posting hundreds of posts in one thread that is going nowhere when so many people would love the help and effort put forth on their game. Let's find someone else to help.