Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
yup but at least you're letting me bluff and YOUR hand is clearly defined

the problem with betting the flop is that your hand isn't defined at all so you have less of an idea of what I think you have.

Knowing that I know that you know that I know what you have makes your decision 1 level easier imo.

Might sound like I'm being sarcastic but I'm actually pretty serious here.
I definitely agree with you to some extent, but its all kind of levelling right.

Like what you're saying is true. If I check/call flop, then at least I know that you know I have showdown value and have some sort of a hand on this A high board. So by that measure, if you keep firing at me, I can potentially assume you have something as well, since you can't necessarily expect me to fold.

By the same token, after check-calling, I know that you think I'm weak now. So I might think you're trying to take me off what seems to be QQ/KK on an A high board, which often ends up in levelling into really bad stack offs.

This is a hand I played against L oibedo last night HU:

Obviously if I bet this flop and get raised or called I have an easy to just c/f turn or folding to a raise or whatever. But as played, I level myself into him thinking I'm just weak and so I put way more bluffs in his range now than I probably should?

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($462.39)
Hero ($426.50)

Pre-flop: ($7, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN raises to $20, Hero raises to $70, BTN calls $50

Flop: ($140, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $100, Hero calls $100

Turn: ($340, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $292.39, Hero calls $256.50

River: ($888.89, 2 players)

Final Pot: $888.89
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

BTN wins $887.89 ( won +$425.50 )
Hero lost -$426.50


So I lost that level, but that's ok I won the next level. The next level was a few minutes later where the same situation played out, but this time he was on the level where he just showed down a real hand in this spot, so he thought I'd give him more credit this time around. I figured he'd be on that level, so I just let him bluff this time:

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($1487.05)
Hero ($412.00)

Pre-flop: ($7, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN raises to $15, Hero raises to $55, BTN calls $40

Flop: ($110, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $85, Hero calls $85

Turn: ($280, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1347.05, Hero calls $272

River: ($1899.05, 2 players)

Final Pot: $1899.05
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

BTN wins $1075.05 ( lost -$412 )
Hero wins $823 ( won +$411 )