PT stats since April

how do you not have variance? That is one sexy graph.

cocco, you should make a few vids man. i'm sure a ton of us would really be interested. pm me if you want info on recording your screen.

Don't get me wrong, it is a fucking sexy graph, but there is variance in there.

First off, each point represents 200+ hands, that's averaging, aka less visible variance. Thus the result should be closer to expected value. 2nd, there are downswings. Each space between horizontal bars is 5x downswing at 200NL.

@25k hands is an 8 buy-in swing
@45k is a 5 buy-in swing
@69k is either a 10x swing at 200NL, or a 5x swing at 400NL

I haven't been playing long enough to have a worst buy-in swing, but I would think you could run 100k hands without >10 buy-in down-swing if you're already a proven winner.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

cocco, you should make a few vids man. i'm sure a ton of us would really be interested. pm me if you want info on recording your screen.

I'd love to see some no limit stuff in the vids section.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Mac

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

cocco, you should make a few vids man. i'm sure a ton of us would really be interested. pm me if you want info on recording your screen.

I'd love to see some no limit stuff in the vids section.

yes. i really want to see vids of low-mid stakes pwnage of nl ring.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

cocco, you should make a few vids man. i'm sure a ton of us would really be interested.

Originally Posted by DLC11

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

cocco, you should make a few vids man. i'm sure a ton of us would really be interested.

Originally Posted by ville18

Originally Posted by DLC11

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

cocco, you should make a few vids man. i'm sure a ton of us would really be interested.

if he comes back to this thread, he'll get the point. if he wants to make videos, he will. if he doesn't want to, he won't.

come back to the thread cocco

sorry, don't want to make a public video...too lazy and it gives away too much to potential opponents.

Got a good start at 1000NL and just broke the $100k mark in this database, I also had my biggest cashgame day so far at about $6200 profit. I'm currently mixing full ring with 6 max and 5 max on the ongame network and prima depending on what games look good.

It's nice to see your PFR go up.

Coco you must read souls, not cards

how the fck do you make so many ptbb's when you're such a preflop nit? You must never give up on a pot when you feel your opponent is weak.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Coco you must read souls, not cards

how the fck do you make so many ptbb's when you're such a preflop nit? You must never give up on a pot when you feel your opponent is weak.

Look at my AF, its not very high. I think my strongest points are good table selection and my ability to take note and exploit my opponents weaknesses together with a strong basic post flop game. I also study in PT how regulars play their big hands and how they play hands like AK AQ unimproved.

since this is becoming an "ask bill" thread...

How much time do you spend playig compared to studying opponents/thinking situations through?

I've done much more work away from the tables over the past cpl months (probably to the point of not playing enough). Are you a "routine" type of guy (like play for 3 hrs, go over HH for and hour) or do you just do what you feel is best in the moment?

Originally Posted by Genitruc

since this is becoming an "ask bill" thread...

How much time do you spend playig compared to studying opponents/thinking situations through?

I've done much more work away from the tables over the past cpl months (probably to the point of not playing enough). Are you a "routine" type of guy (like play for 3 hrs, go over HH for and hour) or do you just do what you feel is best in the moment?

I'm not a routine type of guy, but when I find an opponent interesting and tricky who I share tables with often I spend some time studying their game in PT. I spend far less time doing this than actually playing.

Cool

I started doing this when I tried playig regularly on Prima. It's really stimulating.

but as soon as I realized party was still juicy I just said "fk it, I'm gonna go find me some fish" lol

Had a pretty bad run at 1000NL and went on a $9000 downswing, I am beginning to recover though.

Here's all my hands since July

Oh so 100k is BEGINNING to recover!? fuck you man, and I mean it in the most envious and respectful of ways.

impressive as always cocco

It's interesting that do not play as aggro and loose (although not MUCH tighter) as many of the other 6max rounders at FTR.

Also, you play SB alot more than I would expect.

just another update:

I am setting a goal to make $200k for a year from July-July including rakeback and bonuses. This means that I have to make about $60k in the next 4 months. I know I can beat the 5-10 games, its just a matter of if I can make more money there than I do playing the soft 2-4 games ?

those are pretty nitty stats for 6max but your winrate is great ...what site are you playing these days cocco ?

Cocco destroys 6max midstakes with only 11% PFR. Just wanted to point this out.

Originally Posted by biondino

Cocco destroys 6max midstakes with only 11% PFR. Just wanted to point this out.

I think remember him saying he plays a lot on Ongame. I've been watching the midstake games on there and I see a LOT of the same players that play as low as 100NL. I could be wrong, but from the looks of it the vast majority of players at the 600NL level are still the standard call station donks so he probably doesn't need to mix up his game with them that much. Of course this is just my theory.

Bill do you mind posting some position stats?

Or would that be revealing confidential info?

what are your opinions on light threebetting and do you do it

Renton doesn't it seem pretty unlikely that Bill 3-bets a lot since his raise/call numbers are so far apart?

for sure, but as bill is a balanced a solid player, its very possible that light threebetting is in his repertoire regardless of what his long term stats suggest.

and it also raises obvious and interesting questions about how he plays AQ+ QQ+ when facing a raise. If these are the only hands he's threebetting then that can't be good rite?

Originally Posted by Renton

and it also raises obvious and interesting questions about how he plays AQ+ QQ+ when facing a raise. If these are the only hands he's threebetting then that can't be good rite?

In some games, I think you can get away with only 3-betting AA/KK and still get paid off.

My guess is that with Bill's table selection, this is a distinct possibility.

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think you have all been conned.

Cocco i want to see your whole PT page
i think your just adding winning players to your aliases list.


look at his graph it shows Boonaru(PTY)+all aliases.
when he posted his winning and losing hands why did he cut out the amount won . that # should be the same as his profit that he clams to have.
and he wont post his more detail screen.


i doctored this up from my PT (i did it fast so BB/100 hands is kind of high)




i want to see your screen that shows your aliases, amount won, and amount won from the all your hands .
like the one above.

like i said i hope i'm wrong. but i don't think i am.

HAVE A NICE DAY

lollers

POST OF THE YEAR?

Originally Posted by storman99

Cocco i want to see your whole PT page
i think your just adding winning players to your aliases list.


look at his graph it shows Boonaru(PTY)+all aliases.
when he posted his winning and losing hands why did he cut out the amount won . that # should be the same as his profit that he clams to have.
and he wont post his more detail screen.


i doctored this up from my PT (i did it fast so BB/100 hands is kind of high)




i want to see your screen that shows your aliases, amount won, and amount won from the all your hands .
like the one above.

like i said i hope i'm wrong. but i don't think i am.

HAVE A NICE DAY

LOL. Anyone who has played with different currencies and set the exchange rate in pokertracker can tell you that this currency adjustment is made in game level but not for individual hands and position stats for some reason. very well I will post full screens...

I guess I'll take this as a compliment. My results must be really goood if people think I have to be faking them lol.

note that this page includes a small amount of observed hands as these are autoimported on prima nowadays.

The number of hands differs by ONE in the first screenshot because of this bug on the Ongame network.

Hahaha good 5th and 6th posts storm

Originally Posted by Renton

what are your opinions on light threebetting and do you do it

Of course it depends on position and opponents. If someone raises every time when folded to him on the buttom you will have to start 3-betting light from the blinds at least some of the time(all pairs AT+ QJ+, air). If a tight player raises from early position I will try to 3-bet is according to his handrange which will be pretty tight. Complicated subject I'm sure I have a lot of room for improvement here. Just as interesting is how to deal with habitual 3-bettors OOP, how oftenm 4-bet , how often call rep flop etc.

Cocco, I love you most for the fact that you provide incontrovertible evidence that raising 90% of the hands you play ISN'T the only way to winning poker. It makes me feel a lot better about my own 24/14 stats. Cheers

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Hahaha good 5th and 6th posts storm

I have a feeling this is someone who posts here a lot and wants to save face when proven wrong.

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Hahaha good 5th and 6th posts storm

I have a feeling this is someone who posts here a lot and wants to save face when proven wrong.

Interesting...

You make amazing graphs. It is natural to wonder, but why would you go through the effort to create a 100k+ hand graph that looks like "/"? Then come back every couple months and do it again? I find it hard to believe on-line cred is worth that much to someone.

Originally Posted by biondino

Cocco, I love you most for the fact that you provide incontrovertible evidence that raising 90% of the hands you play ISN'T the only way to winning poker. It makes me feel a lot better about my own 24/14 stats. Cheers

Yea well in the games Bill plays, the regulars ACTUALLY have Down's.

I shouldnt really care if people believe me or not, but here are all of my losing levels my full graph over 301k hands and also January month which was my worst month since I started this thread, there you can see a real downswing..

what staggers me is that you bbs/100 is fairly high without an iota of variance.
You cant play 20/10 without someosrt of bad run evey so often.
Your graph just looks like you never run bad for any long period of time, which is quite possible, but then you would have to be awesome for that to happen right?

Its 300k hands! There are several 10 buy in 10-15k break even streaks there. Its just a huge amount of hands so ordinary downswings are hardly visible. And Miffed yes I havent had a losing month since I bought pokertracker, now isn't that disturbing!

LOL Bill you are awesome who cares fuck the haters.

So... about those position stats...

Just to give you some background, I'm wondering about your position stats because I referred a friend of mine to this thread as proof that you don't need and AF of 5+ to be a winner at the low-midstakes.

He was really impressed by your results and asked if I knew anything about your position stats...

Like I said before, it's completely understandable if you don't want to post this stuff.

thx and keep pwning. I may be joining you on some Euro sites soon

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you give us all hope

thank you
100% believer now

very sorry bill on my post,
but being a pokertracker junkie your tracker did look doctored up.

anyways thank you for proving me wrong.
and again sorry

storman99

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Its 300k hands! There are several 10 buy in 10-15k break even streaks there. Its just a huge amount of hands so ordinary downswings are hardly visible. And Miffed yes I havent had a losing month since I bought pokertracker, now isn't that disturbing!

lol.
Im not an unbeliever!
Its just staggering to actually see 300k hands where you havent had a losing month, im not denying its likely if you play in the right games.

I think you are obviously god but you've obviously had a good variance 300k hands if you haven't had one losing month.

Coco AMAZING...

Do you think that your game is adapted to the type of games you are playing in? In other words do you think that if you played at Stars or Tilt your results would be similar?

Congrats on the awesome results Cocco.

One question though, could you check in Pokertracker what your standard deviation/100 hands is? It's in the session tab, more details. I'd like to compare it to mine. Mine is just above 40BB and I think my game is pretty low variance.

Originally Posted by storman99

very sorry bill on my post,
but being a pokertracker junkie your tracker did look doctored up.

anyways thank you for proving me wrong.
and again sorry

storman99

no problem, I am just as suprised as most of you that i could maintain this winrate and low variance as I moved up in stakes. Wkat can I say, I've obviously had a good variance 300k hands in soft games.

Originally Posted by Jager

Coco AMAZING...

Do you think that your game is adapted to the type of games you are playing in? In other words do you think that if you played at Stars or Tilt your results would be similar?

From what I hear Pokerstars and Fulltilt are considerably harder post Frist, so I most likely could not maintain soimilar results. On my aliases list you do see Pokerstars alias with 30k+ hands at over 7ptBB/100. So pre Frist I'd say yes I could have got similar results there.

Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up

Congrats on the awesome results Cocco.

One question though, could you check in Pokertracker what your standard deviation/100 hands is? It's in the session tab, more details. I'd like to compare it to mine. Mine is just above 40BB and I think my game is pretty low variance.

I cannot find the SD right now for some reason(knew where to find it before). Could you remind me where to locate it?

SD is under More Detail under Sessions tab...

*warning brag post ahead*

Since last time posting my stats I had my best 3 day run ever. Much of this came from running good at 1000nl.

My standard deviation is 36,2ptBB/100

I cant seem to see any of the pictures that Coco has posted. Having only just joined the forum is there a setting I need to change or something?
I would love to see these stats! :P

12buyins up is sick. Nice work. I ran that good at 200nl, be nice to emulate you at 1knl

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

12buyins up is sick. Nice work. I ran that good at 200nl, be nice to emulate you at 1knl

Actually less than half those hands are 1000NL, but thats where most of the profits came from.

are you still playing on unibet? (thats the last site i remember you saying you played at) or have you a different cashcow now?

I am playing mostly on Nordicbet which is part of the Prima network

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

From what I hear Pokerstars and Fulltilt are considerably harder post Frist, so I most likely could not maintain soimilar results. On my aliases list you do see Pokerstars alias with 30k+ hands at over 7ptBB/100. So pre Frist I'd say yes I could have got similar results there.

It's not pre-Frist that matters for me. It's pre-Neteller arrests. My PT graphs at PS and FT are nice and steady until that day in January. <sigh>

cocco can you post your misc. stats would like to see how many times you went to showdown on your pair, two pair, 3 of a kind, straights, and flushes.


thanks

coco, can we get a 12month graph if you have one?

Some of our so called ballers wont post, so be nice to see a well respected player post a graph.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

coco, can we get a 12month graph if you have one?

Some of our so called ballers wont post, so be nice to see a well respected player post a graph.

I am still abroad and don't have access to my database from April to July. I also recently purged all my hands below 400nl and everything before November to keep the size of the database down. I know these can be reimported from the backup files, but its time consuming so I don't want to do that now.

On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the Prima games between nl400 and nl1k lately?

how about your misc.stats fromyour last 310,122 hands would realy like to see then.

thanks

cocco where have you been lately are you still winning can you show a update

thanks

Originally Posted by storman99

cocco where have you been lately are you still winning can you show a update

thanks

running like shit lately, almost a $12k downswing now.

April

I take no pleasure whatsoever in learning that you are, indeed, human

HH from ~16750 plz?

Originally Posted by zook

I take no pleasure whatsoever in learning that you are, indeed, human

HH from ~16750 plz?

Yah seriously, that is one large dip there at around 16750... damn.

It also think it sucks to see this downswing. I hope you can turn it around soon man, good luck!