Operation U Turn

Hey folks. I wanted to start an operation to outline my progress at 10NL.

First some background. 250k hands at 10NL climaxed last November when running bad and spewing at an unprecedented frequency dropped my BR to $150. So i dropped down to 5NL and experimented. After exactly one month and building my BR back to $345 i returned to 10NL resolute to implement the changes i had made to my game and to stop spewing.
What started promisingly, approx. $200 in 20k hands, has turned into a slow slide back to square one.

The biggest culprit? Calling raises. My logic for calling most goes no deeper than that i classified the villain as a fish.

I want to start this operation by posting and justifying hands where i call flop or turn raises. Hell, i know some of them i wont even try to justify. I would really appreciate your help in commenting on if my line is solid or spew. I would also like suggestions on how i can turn this into a prop bet or something like carrots sleep post.

Its getting late so i will post a cpl of hands tomorrow morning. Thanks folks.

GL Openside!

Ty courtie!.

Hands from last nights session. One is ok, one is spew i think.

Hand 1
Villain is 8/4 (219). MP2 is 17/11 (282) with 8% 3bet. MP2 had been 3betting in LP and Cbetting with little resistance. Was unsure whether to 4bet or flat. Villain surprised me
. AA/KK is shoving pre imo. I think i had to call here, i need 20% equity (5.1/25.05).

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($10.84)
SB ($20.95)
BB ($5.05)
UTG ($10.15)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($23.66)
CO ($11.17)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.35, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.40, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.05

Flop: ($4.35) 3, Q, 10 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, UTG+1 raises to $8.60 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $5.10

Hand 2
Villain had just sat down. My thinking at the time was he was on a draw.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($10)
MP2 ($14.04)
CO ($14.80)
Button ($9.89)
SB ($20.88)
BB ($9.54)
UTG ($11.69)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, J
1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 5, 2, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, Button raises to $1.80, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.55) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.90, Hero calls $1.90

River: ($8.35) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5.79 (All-In), Hero calls $5.79

First one is really really bad pre.

Second is pretty bad as well. You are better than just saying he was on a draw. At the very least plug in sets + a few reasonable draws. Not to mention a random non full stacker is less likely to make this raise as a semi bluff. True fish shove there flush draws.

Originally Posted by !Luck

First one is really really bad pre.

Can you expand a little more? I should have folded or 4bet?

Originally Posted by !Luck

Second is pretty bad as well. You are better than just saying he was on a draw. At the very least plug in sets + a few reasonable draws. Not to mention a random non full stacker is less likely to make this raise as a semi bluff. True fish shove there flush draws.

Your right. I'm trying to use my pride as a positive tool by embarrassing myself. "He is on a draw" was the limit of my thinking when the hand was played. Horrible spew.

Thanks mate.

I want the first part of this operation to have negative ramifications for me so that it will act as a deterrent. I spew into a pot and lose a 100bb. Ok. Now i spew, lose 100bb and prove to ppl what a tool at the felt i am by forcing myself to post it. I would like to add a financial aspect to it too. I was thinking along the lines of a prop bet or if i post a hand and ppl agree its spew then i pay, maybe to the first poster or into a pool that gets added to the next ftr HU tourney or something like that. Ideas would be greatly appreciated.

hand 1 - AQo fold pre, fold flop twice
hand 2 - JJ pre good, flop you can fold to the min-raise. Bet-fold turn=check-fold turn >>>>>>> check-call turn

Originally Posted by daven

hand 1 - AQo fold pre

What range would i play to exploit MP2 and should i flat or raise? My thinking is 4Bet with QQ+ and flat with suited connectors JTs+?
As played, if i am right in my read i thought TPTK plays strong on this flop against MP2. Then Villain shoves and MP2 folds. I have 30% against KK+,TT,AQs,KQs,AQo. How does this range look? Anything over 20% i have to call.

Thanks daven.

Perception is a ship without an anchor, tending to drift. How we perceive ourselves can often change in an instant, but ultimately there are core beliefs of who we are that form a foundation that is seemingly unchanging.
Poker is a thorn in my side, pricking me every time i play, reminding me that one of my core beliefs isn't so solid, the belief that i am a disciplined person. Learning self discipline enabled me to control my anger, it got me through grad. school and allowed me to play rugby at a competitive level. Yet when it comes to poker i am totally devoid of discipline. Why? I think its a matter of scale.
It's easy to be disciplined when there is a consequence. Its the corner stone of any child's upbringing. It's the only thing that keeps society civil. We are inherently selfish creatures. In poker terms we are level 0 creatures. Level 1 is learnt. We would not have evolved any other way.
True self-discipline is the ability to turn it on and off at will, independent of consequence. Poker has taught me that i am not a disciplined person.

Apart from two heaters at the start i think its evident that nothing has really changed

Step one to being more disciplined. I decided to start setting myself small goals. For last nights session it was to not look at my results during the session. If i did then i had to quit playing. I was a crack whore in withdrawal! Overall, i felt it helped me focus more on each hand. Typically when i'm losing each time i lose i'm refreshing PT3 thinking "now what am i down too?". I am dwelling more on the hands i played rather than what i'm facing.
Overall it wasn't a bad session. I made one bone head play, calling a re-raise on the river with two pair on a paired board against a weak-passive.

A couple of hands from last night.

Hand 1

Villain is 15/12 over 450. His range is very strong, JJ+, AQo+, AQs+, which is why i didn't 3bet. Flop and turn play themselves. Flush misses the river and my A is unimproved. Fold felt nitty. I ran the range in my head but didn't break out the calculator. I just asked myself "what do i beat?", AT, KQ, KJ, KK....the only hand i see in his opening range is KK and doubt that he three barrels it.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($3.40)
BB ($10.24)
UTG ($18.10)
Hero (UTG+1) ($11.23)
MP1 ($10.16)
MP2 ($9.38)
CO ($2.17)
Button ($10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K
UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 6 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 3, J, A (2 players)
UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.95) Q (2 players)
UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($4.95) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.35 Hero???

I need 24% equity to call.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 84.211% 68.42% 15.79% 13 3.00 { AA, QQ-JJ, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 15.789% 00.00% 15.79% 0 3.00 { AcKc }

Hand 2

Villain is 14/11 over 346. Again very strong range. JJ+, AQo+, AQs+.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($10.25)
BB ($10)
UTG ($10.51)
UTG+1 ($10.33)
MP1 ($15.57)
MP2 ($10)
CO ($3.04)
Hero (Button) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 10
UTG bets $0.35, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 8, 5, 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

River: ($4.85) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.90 Hero???

I think flop and turn are fine. River call would be spew? I need 27%


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 92.308% 92.31% 00.00% 144 0.00 { JJ+, AcKc, AcQc }
Hand 1: 07.692% 07.69% 00.00% 12 0.00 { TT }

I think both hands are a fold on the river. 10nl taggs don't fire 3 barrels without the near nuts unless they're tilting, especially from EP and OOP. It's rare you have the best hand here and folding both rivers saves you 50bb.

please raise the flop on hand 1 imo

Morning folks.
Last nights session went well, not good in terms or profit, but i think i played solid. The same rule applied, no looking at PT3 during a session. I think I picked some good spots to exploit. I had an ABC tight passive reg (12/8 33/1 AFq/AF 48% Steal 89% fold to 3bet PF) to my right that liked to raise multiway limped pots in LP. He continued to let me 3bet steal throughout the session.
The session lasted approx 900 hands and i ended up down 80bb. Only four losses above 20bb and only one above 50bb. Only one bone head call. The big hand that killed my session was a multiway cooler, against two fishy types, that i'm really not upset about. Set vs set with dead money coming along for the ride.
I have been trying to work on my red line a lot. I am solid from the blinds. Apart from blinds i think your red line is heavily influenced by how aggressive your post flop game is. The flatter the red line the more aggressive you are. Let me expand. If you play a positionally aware aggressive game your going to be taking down hands without going to showdown, which is going to create a healthy red line. The last two sessions my red line has been flat, above my blue line which is abnormal for me. The two typically diverge significantly. I understand that bringing up your red line is often at the expense of your blue line, with little net effect on your green line. But i dont think this is the case here. For your red to rise and your blue to fall you are going to see a drop in your W$SD and a rise in your WTSD, which im not. I ran 73/20 last night. My blue line is pretty much flat, except for the losses noted above. So i think the two sessions are really just being card dead and not getting payed when i have a monster.
Ok, coffee is done. Have a good day folks. Thanks for reading.

Originally Posted by Openside

I ran 73/20 last night.

Wut. Over 900 hands? Mistype ITT.

Originally Posted by Openside

But i dont think this is the case here. For your red to rise and your blue to fall you are going to see a drop in your W$SD and a rise in your WTSD, which im not. I ran 73/20 last night.

Lol not VPIP/PFR. W$SD/WTSD

Hey man, GL with this OP........I'll be following along. I'm definitely in the same mode currently of dropping down a level to figure out the basics, then spewing at the lower level, etc.

I'm also having the issue with results tracking, trying to "outfish the fishies", etc., so I definitely know how you feel.

I'm more than happy to share some accountability as far as keeping our main goals up............have a good one, and GL!!!

Originally Posted by Openside

Perception is a ship without an anchor, tending to drift. How we perceive ourselves can often change in an instant, but ultimately there are core beliefs of who we are that form a foundation that is seemingly unchanging.
Poker is a thorn in my side, pricking me every time i play, reminding me that one of my core beliefs isn't so solid, the belief that i am a disciplined person. Learning self discipline enabled me to control my anger, it got me through grad. school and allowed me to play rugby at a competitive level. Yet when it comes to poker i am totally devoid of discipline. Why? I think its a matter of scale.
It's easy to be disciplined when there is a consequence. Its the corner stone of any child's upbringing. It's the only thing that keeps society civil. We are inherently selfish creatures. In poker terms we are level 0 creatures. Level 1 is learnt. We would not have evolved any other way.
True self-discipline is the ability to turn it on and off at will, independent of consequence. Poker has taught me that i am not a disciplined person.

I'm going to read this to myself often Very true.