Operation: stack 10nl fish and get 30 buy-ins for 25nl

i think i'm getting there. When you say half his range is dominated, you mean half his 3bet calling range? like what is defining his range?

so, been thinking more on how i'm learning, how much i'm learning and kind of how much it's even beneficial to study concepts (i'm not even suggesting it isn't, just stripping things down to their bare components). This came to me when, like i've mentioned, i went over old HH from 2nl and noticed i was playing kind of similarly to now. Yet i've done a lot of study since.

So i'm trying to chunk the big concepts that have made me a rather solid winning player until now. By solid i don't mean BRILLIANT, my PTBB/100 is rather average, but like the most i've lost at any one stake is 3 buy-ins in one ... period. Like i might lose big in a sesh or two, but then the next sesh pull back out and re-adjust. Or drop a stake to grind back up the loss. So... what's it been down to?

First thing that made a difference, and took about 20k hands to get reasonably solid is pre flop game. Still working on it, but it's enough to win. Learning to (slowly) move away from UTG plays and opening in later positions. At 10nl this becomes even more important because of all the 3bets that go on + 3bet shoves from all the short fukkerz.

Bet sizing is another backbone of poker playing. Still experimenting with this. More to stop them calling, less to keep them in the hand bla bla. Then more refinements, cbets and bluffs, realising that you can bet less there to get them to fold.

Tightening up. Beginners HATE tightening up. Just open up another table and it will balance things out. Learn to enjoy not pissing your money away basically. Once you trust that this is what happens when you tighten up, you realise that you make money from folding.

Perhaps one of the most NOTICEABLE changes that you can see very strongly is learning what sorts of hands people are getting aggressive with. So listen up pre 10nlers... people raise you (not min raise, like a nice solid, deliberate, typed in raise) with AT FUKING LEAST two pair. Unless they are bluff spewing donk fish. Then maybe it's air/top pair but note: you will know who they are and those plays constitute about 20%, or maybe a lot less, of plays.

I have a good example of not doing this, shall add it when i get home. I just KNEW he had me beat. If there's a flush draw on the board and they raise you, don't be surprised when they have the flush. Straights are slightly more tricky, but basically, a nice solid raise means you're beat ... UNLESS... you absolutely KNOW otherwise.

Another thing i've found is that people play cards face up at 10. You raise with AK, ace hits, you bet, they often know you have it. This is hard to explain but too often, you make your monster on the flop and you bet out coz you want to get that money in. They fold SO much it's untrue. Confuse them. I've started checking my flops and so far it's managed to stack off a lot more easily and profitably. No one has of yet drawn out coz of checking back the flop. They will, but i think overall it's going to be very profitable.

Ok that's all for now. Will add hands as i go i think, which reflect these concepts. Cheers.

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edit: here's the hand http://weaktight.com/1177275
I played it too fast and didn't take time to think. There's a flush on the board and he's raising, he wouldn't raise into me with anything but a flush here. It's too tempting with 2 pair and all that, a lot of people here think two pair is the nuts and 'snap call'. Learn not to just call because you sorta 'should' if you fukking know he has you beat.

Another hand where I DID follow my instincts: http://weaktight.com/1177286
i get min raised and am really confused and just know i can't just fold here. So i call not knowing quite what he's doing here. I think i know he has a flush but am just waiting to see a free showdown on the river. He simply wouldn't do this with 67. So on the river i know he has the flush and my 7 high just isn't good enough to call. Balls to pot odds.

I asked him what he had and he said he flopped the K high flush. And i do believe him because he knows that *i* have at least a flush here when i raise on a monotone.

Set Vs KK/AA:
http://weaktight.com/1177296
When he raises me i think it's probably pocket overpair, TT-QQ but not AA coz i'd have probably be been all in by now. So all i can do here is shove. When he SNAAAAP calls me i bet my actual penis that he has 44/66/55 without a shred of doubt. I just didn't, subconsciously, put them in his 3bet calling range massively. He got about 10:1 implied odds pre flop so maybe. I have been known to call with only 10:1 before because i know we're stacking off if i hit my set. Otherwise, you can hit your set and fold out three people and make almost nothing (chilled out pre flop calls rather than invested 3bet pots).

Last night one guy was 3betting all his PP. Not too bad really coz you can rep a big hand and get folds, and if you hit your set, you're more likely to stack off.

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06-05-2009 11:27 AM #1
wonderland View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries Join Date Aug 2008 Posts 471 Location Nottingham, UK	i think i'm getting there. When you say half his range is dominated, you mean half his 3bet calling range? like what is defining his range? so, been thinking more on how i'm learning, how much i'm learning and kind of how much it's even beneficial to study concepts (i'm not even suggesting it isn't, just stripping things down to their bare components). This came to me when, like i've mentioned, i went over old HH from 2nl and noticed i was playing kind of similarly to now. Yet i've done a lot of study since. So i'm trying to chunk the big concepts that have made me a rather solid winning player until now. By solid i don't mean BRILLIANT, my PTBB/100 is rather average, but like the most i've lost at any one stake is 3 buy-ins in one ... period. Like i might lose big in a sesh or two, but then the next sesh pull back out and re-adjust. Or drop a stake to grind back up the loss. So... what's it been down to? First thing that made a difference, and took about 20k hands to get reasonably solid is pre flop game. Still working on it, but it's enough to win. Learning to (slowly) move away from UTG plays and opening in later positions. At 10nl this becomes even more important because of all the 3bets that go on + 3bet shoves from all the short fukkerz. Bet sizing is another backbone of poker playing. Still experimenting with this. More to stop them calling, less to keep them in the hand bla bla. Then more refinements, cbets and bluffs, realising that you can bet less there to get them to fold. Tightening up. Beginners HATE tightening up. Just open up another table and it will balance things out. Learn to enjoy not pissing your money away basically. Once you trust that this is what happens when you tighten up, you realise that you make money from folding. Perhaps one of the most NOTICEABLE changes that you can see very strongly is learning what sorts of hands people are getting aggressive with. So listen up pre 10nlers... people raise you (not min raise, like a nice solid, deliberate, typed in raise) with AT FUKING LEAST two pair. Unless they are bluff spewing donk fish. Then maybe it's air/top pair but note: you will know who they are and those plays constitute about 20%, or maybe a lot less, of plays. I have a good example of not doing this, shall add it when i get home. I just KNEW he had me beat. If there's a flush draw on the board and they raise you, don't be surprised when they have the flush. Straights are slightly more tricky, but basically, a nice solid raise means you're beat ... UNLESS... you absolutely KNOW otherwise. Another thing i've found is that people play cards face up at 10. You raise with AK, ace hits, you bet, they often know you have it. This is hard to explain but too often, you make your monster on the flop and you bet out coz you want to get that money in. They fold SO much it's untrue. Confuse them. I've started checking my flops and so far it's managed to stack off a lot more easily and profitably. No one has of yet drawn out coz of checking back the flop. They will, but i think overall it's going to be very profitable. Ok that's all for now. Will add hands as i go i think, which reflect these concepts. Cheers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HANDS edit: here's the hand http://weaktight.com/1177275 I played it too fast and didn't take time to think. There's a flush on the board and he's raising, he wouldn't raise into me with anything but a flush here. It's too tempting with 2 pair and all that, a lot of people here think two pair is the nuts and 'snap call'. Learn not to just call because you sorta 'should' if you fukking know he has you beat. Another hand where I DID follow my instincts: http://weaktight.com/1177286 i get min raised and am really confused and just know i can't just fold here. So i call not knowing quite what he's doing here. I think i know he has a flush but am just waiting to see a free showdown on the river. He simply wouldn't do this with 67. So on the river i know he has the flush and my 7 high just isn't good enough to call. Balls to pot odds. I asked him what he had and he said he flopped the K high flush. And i do believe him because he knows that i have at least a flush here when i raise on a monotone. Set Vs KK/AA: http://weaktight.com/1177296 When he raises me i think it's probably pocket overpair, TT-QQ but not AA coz i'd have probably be been all in by now. So all i can do here is shove. When he SNAAAAP calls me i bet my actual penis that he has 44/66/55 without a shred of doubt. I just didn't, subconsciously, put them in his 3bet calling range massively. He got about 10:1 implied odds pre flop so maybe. I have been known to call with only 10:1 before because i know we're stacking off if i hit my set. Otherwise, you can hit your set and fold out three people and make almost nothing (chilled out pre flop calls rather than invested 3bet pots). Last night one guy was 3betting all his PP. Not too bad really coz you can rep a big hand and get folds, and if you hit your set, you're more likely to stack off.