Operation: Discipline

Ok so lately I have been running horribly and not playing too well either. Some of my problems lately have been tilt and being wayyyy to optimistic on peoples ranges which i think is kind of a result of tilt and this bad run. Last night i actually played out of my BR for the first time every lol, with a little tilt session at 600nl that only cost me 200, def not gonna play outside my roll again, i actually told a friend of mine i would give him 200 if i ever played 600nl or above again until im rolled for it. So basically im creating this operation to get some much needed discipline back into my game. I'm going to link to most big hands that i play besides like AA allin pf or w/e and make sure i go over it. And for any non standard hands or questionable hands i will actually post completely in this thread and go over them.

Now how you guys can help.
1. dont let this thread die and let me get lazy and not go through with this.
2. obv look at hands or w/e and comment.

ill play tomorrow and then do the first post like i described.

Nice. Somehow I found your old operation thread today and saw you quit it after making like 5k. GL with the new one.

Originally Posted by kmind

Nice. Somehow I found your old operation thread today and saw you quit it after making like 5k. GL with the new one.

Oh yeah lol, i completed the rest of it i just stopped posting i think. this one doesnt have a specific goal for money or anything but it would be good for me to stick with it.

GLGL

Ok, didnt play much yesterday. I only played 100nl too for some reason, also 6 tabled and i havent done that in awhile, so i was playing nittier than usual. Any way really short session but good results.



ok so some hands
this was pretty standard maybe you could argue leading out the flop. unfortunately he hit his flush.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1801986
ok so i didnt think this would be a good to cbet here vs this guy. then just tried to check it down and C/Ced the river because i think he probably bets a pp somewhere and shows with tons of stuff i beat here.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1802031
here i didnt see that much value in betting the turn but maybe that was a mistake. worked out well tho lol.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1802042

not much else for non completely standard bigger pots, mainly because of the really short session. i will probably play a lot tonight.

i don't think i'll be able to give you much advice since you are already a good player, but i will provide encouragement...


GLGLGLGLGLGLGL

ok so i didnt post the last couple days. werent good days. ran bad and made atleast one really spewy play. and i was too lazy to post the hands up for it which is what im suppose to do for this operation so i guess i fail lol.
but anyways really good day today was gonna try to kind of a marathon session 6 tabling 100nl but i decided to end it and go do some other stuff after making 1k really quickly.


i dont remember really fucking up any hands and there was a lot of big pots so im just gonna post some of the fun ones.

ship it http://www.pokerhand.org/?1815422

ty idiot http://www.pokerhand.org/?1815429

put me on AK lol? http://www.pokerhand.org/?1815432

smart kid http://www.pokerhand.org/?1815438

why cant shit like this happen every session lol?

there was one gay cooler to bring down my super session... http://www.pokerhand.org/?1815442

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

i don't think i'll be able to give you much advice since you are already a good player, but i will provide encouragement...


GLGLGLGLGLGLGL

thanks Vi... ill start reading your operation again, i pretty much forgot about this operation forum after i stopped posting in my last one.

ok ill update for yesterday and today. i hardly played either day and yesterday i played kinda passively for some reason.



and here is the only hand from a big pot i found that i dont think i played well.

CO is unknown so i didnt feel like squeezing. I feel like this was misplayed and there is probably a better line but im not sure vs an unknown, having some stats or w/e would make it a lot easier.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $197
Hero (BB): $200
UTG: $225.30
MP: $297
CO: $200
BTN: $246.40

Pre-Flop: T T dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO raises to $7, BTN folds, SB calls $6, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($21) 4 9 8 (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $15, SB folds, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($51) 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30, Hero raises to $178 and is All-In,

ok didnt play much again. winter break will start tomorrow so then i will put a lot of hands in. played really nitty today for some reason but still had good results despite some suckouts in big pots.



and the only somewhat interesting hand i could find (overall big pots were standard/played well and it was a short session without too many big pots.)

when he instapots river im just so far ahead of his range. occasionally shows up with a 5 or 8 but this is almost always a bluff in my experience.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1831933

Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

winter break will start tomorrow

thought today was going to be friday... so winter break is actually tomorrow so tonight was another short session. ran good again (starting operations = run good?).



went through and reviewed all the big pots, every thing looked really standard, so no hands this time.

wtf you are running like a man child, keep it up

lol im jealous

lol didnt run like that tonight. had some really shitty stuff happen in deep pots. im on my laptop now so i cant update the hands and stuff. i will tomorrow.

ok so continued to run bad today. heres the update for last couple days. running about 1k below expecatation. also still playing nitty, idk always used to be like 20/18 not a big deal for now because ive been playing good like this.


hands...

first biggest pot ive ever had.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1844056

now heres a deep messed up hand....
UTG is a 60/10 fish and CO is a tag regular 20/17 or something.
i feel like utg has flush pretty much every time on turn, and im kind of getting odds to try to get a boat BUT if i do that and i dont hit a boat its im going to be getting 10 to 1 on my last 100 i have left on the river so how can i fold then, also QQ is possible from someone too. so i think folding is correct but gay? also one thing i dont understand about no limit holdem is why the hell the betting can get capped on the flop.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $596.75
CO: $200
Hero (BTN): $391.50
SB: $183.75
BB: $40

Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $4, CO raises to $16, Hero calls $16, 2 folds, UTG calls $12

Flop: ($51) J 9 Q (3 Players)
UTG checks, CO bets $33, Hero raises to $150, UTG calls $150, CO raises to $184 and is All-In, Hero calls $34, UTG calls $34

Turn: ($603) 4 (3 Players - 1 is All-In)
UTG bets $100 hero folds

River: ($603) 5 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $603 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed A T (a flush, Ace high) and WON $600 (+$400 NET)
CO showed A K (a flush, King high) and LOST (-$200 NET)

how can you fold turn getting 7:1 there?

because i cant fold the river getting 10 to 1 when i miss so im basically being put all in.

ok good day today. actually played alot, 2k hands. was down about 800 but finished up.


hands

start out with the bad beat of the day
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1848285

for this hand i dont think he bets a 7 or 10, doesnt pot a Queen, probably doesnt play a nine like this, so call and ship it obv.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1848292

didnt look through all the hands but most look pretty standard. as far as the discipline part of this operation ive been doing a lot better not doing that shit, i remember making 1 or 2 bad calls tonight but for the most part when ive wanted to call in bad spots ive taken my time and made the right fold.

ok didnt play xmas eve cuz tables seemed to suck and i had stuff to do. today i played some and did well. and i continue to play nitty.



hands

fistpumper
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1854174

for this one, the limper is just a complete psycho donator and raiser is a tag so i called to keep him the whale in and get some deception as a bonus on the tag.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1854176

villan was unknown at the time, dont think i can do anything different.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1854186

same here, cant see folding, excellent preflop call by this guy rewarded by perfect flop.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1854192

Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

because i cant fold the river getting 10 to 1 when i miss so im basically being put all in.

you're ignoring the actual odds of the situation

no, the actual odds dont matter when im not folding any river. hes basically betting 200.

U simply cannot fold that turn imho, he's range is not entirely flush but also lower set, two pair, TPTK and anyhow u have a redraw if ure behind, push.

Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

no, the actual odds dont matter when im not folding any river. hes basically betting 200.

you're still getting near the right price at 4:1

yeah 4 to 1 isnt good enough when i only have less than 20% equity. he has me beat here 99% of the time. also there is another player in the hand who is in the 600 dollar pot who either has a straight/flush/99/QQ.

also just stop posting if you arent going to make a good reply. replying 3 times in this thread just stating these are the odds cant fold omgomgomgomg isnt a good reply.

Was just trying to point out an obvious leak in your game if you're folding in spots getting 6:1 on your money with a draw that comes in about 20% of the time.

But don't mind me, I'm just being rational.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Was just trying to point out an obvious leak in your game if you're folding in spots getting 6:1 on your money with a draw that comes in about 20% of the time.

But don't mind me, I'm just being rational.

lol obv leak in my game.

how about this leak for you... not seeing the big picture that all the money is going in when the draw misses too so these current pot odds you are getting dont matter. either you dont read what im saying or you just cant grasp it. hopefully you are just not reading.

the money doesn't have to go in because he's not bluffing into a dry side pot so even if we're getting 25:1 we can fold the river. PLUS you're always getting the rest when the board pairs, he's never folding a flush.

Answer my question, how is folding, getting 8:1(7:1 actual) implied on a 4:1 shot right?

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

the money doesn't have to go in because he's not bluffing into a dry side pot so even if we're getting 25:1 we can fold the river. PLUS you're always getting the rest when the board pairs, he's never folding a flush.

Answer my question, how is folding, getting 8:1(7:1 actual) implied on a 4:1 shot right?

because we are basically getting 5 to 1. we are being committed you cant fold river if you call turn. our draw isnt 4 to 1 its 5 to 1. also CO is going to have QQ here a decent amount and all the times he does we can only win 400 besides if we hit a 1 outter. so it should be -ev.

ezduzit i don't get how you still can't see that Spenda is right. We are not commited since we are never ahead. Even if we occasionally fold the best hand on the river, which will happen almost never, calling the turn is still profitable.

you guys do realize this is a 3way pot and we are drawing to 1 out some of the times too. also i would like to see one of you guys fold that river for the last 100 to win 1000, really would. and if you arent going to fold (which you arent) then you arent getting good enough odds.

also dont tell me you are pointing out a big leak in my game, saying what that i dont understand pot odds? this is a rare spot deep. and ive already explained why im not following the pot odds in this situation.

edit: also went back and changed river card to prevent any results oriented thinking, even though if you were you probably already have that in your head.

I'm not being results orientated. I'll come back and do the maths properly later and work out how much value you lost by folding.

make sure u take into account that we are getting all in. i dont care about the math for calling and folding missed rivers

Ok... so, this may be wrong but it has all been double checked etc.

We are 21.7% to hit on the river. 100/21.7 = 4.61

So, we are ~3.6:1 to hit.

On the turn, you have $191.50 left. So if opp had shoved the pot would be $794.50

794.5/191.5= 4.1

So if he'd shoved you'd be getting 4.1:1 on a 3.6:1 shot. Gambooooolllll!!!

794.50+191.50=986.

986 in pot.

21.7% of $986 = 213.96

So, by not calling a shove you would have lost $22.46

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BUT, that's not what happened...

So... 78.3% of the time you are going to call the turn, miss on the river and lose $100.
But, 21.7% of the time you call on the turn, hit the river, shove, get called and gain $794.50

7.945*21.7=172.40
-1*78.3= $94.10

So Spenda's line wins by a country mile...

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This basically all assumes that opp has a high H and is calling the river. Now, I know that this is not always the case, but since opp almost always has a heart I could have taken away a bad out for us, ie we would have 10/45 good outs not 10/46.

I also have not included a set, but opp could have a set of 9s instead of a set of Qs so it doesn't really matter either way.

Fuck I forgot about the CO.....

Blast!

Sidepots and ranges and ARGH!!!!

Head asplode.

This does make my calculations of profit very optimistic/ wrong. BUT, it seems v. unlikely QQ makes up greater than 10% of CO's range and that way calling a shove from UTG is still profitable let alone taking spenda's line.

havent updated in awhile, mainly cuz its a pain in the ass lol. since i updated last i think its been 3700 hands for +$400 too lazy to load it up with imageshack and shit. ill post some of the funs hands from the last few days.

what is you reppin????
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
BB: $58.75
UTG: $55
MP: $396.60
CO: $193.90
BTN: $200
Hero (SB): $290.50

Pre-Flop: 9 9 dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, BTN raises to $7, Hero raises to $24, BB folds, BTN calls $17

Flop: ($50) J 3 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets $33, BTN raises to $80, Hero raises to $266.50 and is All-In, BTN folds

Results: $210 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero mucked 9 9 and WON $207 (+$103 NET)

this one once he checks i expected to be ahead always but i guess he was just being a pussy with KK
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
BB: $235.55
UTG: $248.25
MP: $66.35
CO: $223.65
Hero (BTN): $200
SB: $198

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $7, MP calls $7, CO folds, Hero raises to $31, 2 folds, UTG calls $24, MP folds

Flop: ($72) T 8 6 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($72) Q (2 Players)
UTG bets $44, Hero calls $44

River: ($160) 3 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $125 and is All-In, UTG calls $125

Results: $410 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed K K (a pair of Kings) and WON $407 (+$207 NET)
Hero showed A Q (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$200 NET)