Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
In response to the river c/r hands I think your turn play is more interesting than the river play.
I hope interesting in this case doesn't mean 'WTF?' lol

Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
FWIW, I *attempt* to c/r a lot of rivers myself against the right opponents. It's funny, a lot of regs now have very low AF on the turn and much higher aggression frequencies on the end, meaning c/r'ing more rivers is a necessary form of exploitation.
Yeah finding good situations to check/raise the river as a bluff/value is something i have a tough time doing in the middle of a session. It can be tough to determine if its safe enough to slowplay, your opponents range says he will value bet/bluff if checked to on the river, and that your opponent will value bet thin enough/bluff often enough to make it more profitable than a straightforward value bet.

In hand 1, i figured villain had 10-10 - Q-Q, a flush draw, or K-x. He was an aggro TAG, so i knew he was capable of firing a bluff on the river if he missed a flush draw. I also knew he would fold a mid pair to a turn bet. I would be able to get K-x AI as long as a third heart didn't hit the river regardless of how i played the hand, and it was highly unlikely i was going to be outdrawn if i decided to slowplay.

In hand 2, i think betting the turn scares A-x away. My original plan was bet flop/check turn/bet river. But once villain bet into me i figured he was holding two pair or a set of twos. All of those hands would value bet the turn and river unless a scare card came (10, K) so i called the turn, and once the river blanked on the scare cards i went ahead and check/raised.


Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Hand 3 to me looks spewy, I'm content to c/c here against the right opponent. I just don't see much value in a c/r here. In fact, without reads (I know you had them) I probably fold that river.
Looking at it again, i agree with you that check/calling the river is best in hand 3, even though my read on this guy was that he was an aggro donk. The only reasonable hand he can call a check/raise with is Q-x (he definitely would) but other than that there are no other diamonds he calls me with that i beat. And, he could have a full house.

And yeah against an unknown i probably bet/fold the river.