If I am first in with JJ/QQ I will rarely limp, and only as a change up.

I reraise these in position (as well as other hands).

I don't like to reraise them out of position unless the guy sucks.

If a tight guy raises, I like to call for set value and am quick to dump them if I miss. I think you ask for trouble trying to reraise a tighty because they aren't laying down anything that beats you and likely dump hands you are ahead of like 99/TT.

I wouldn't felt QQ/JJ preflop at $100, but I certainly would at $25 and maybe even $50, and I would consider it at 6max up to $100 depending on how bad the guy sucked.


QQ/JJ are classic "win a small pot lose a big pot hands" like AA/KK. I would expect you would win half as much $ with them as you would with AA/KK.

You will get a flop you don't like at least a third of the time or maybe even more. The times you take it down with a cbet should equal out the times you get outflopped......

I agree open limping with J-J/Q-Q is not a good play. I also agree that keeping the pot small when OOP, except against truly bad players, is a good idea. I also like the idea of playing these hands for set value against nits most of the time, at least until you get a better idea of whether he has missed overs or a big pair. How do you play this OOP to a 3bet preflop against a standard TAG at 100NL FR? Do you c/r flop, call and play for set value, c/c lead turn? Against a LAG?

I agree that an "ugly" flops (monotone, Ace or King high) occur at least 1/3rd of the time. I think the roughly equal % of taking the pot down versus getting raised/called on the flop is an interesting observation. That 50/50 seems to me like it would be kind of an important number for something. I just can't seem to take it that extra step to analyze why it seems important right now, except that it makes the mathematical + or - of raising preflop zero, since even if the pot is bigger on the flop you don't stand to win more % wise as opposed to a small pot on the flop, though it is true that your hand seems weaker when you just call preflop instead of 3bet.


you could just be running bad with jj/qq? it could also be something like you are paying off too much when you are beat with them postflop.... i dont know, but i dont like just calling preflop unless i feel that just playing for set value would be better than just being aggressive with it.
lol, i wish i was just running bad with J-J/Q-Q. I think i just suck with them at this point in my poker career. I bet i am spewing too much postflop with these hands. Actually i am thinking that we can pick off a lot of c-bet with these hands if we just call in LP, which was the main reason why i asked about how people play J-J/Q-Q in LP. As for the postflop spewing i am probably doing with these hands, i think just letting them go more on the turn will help a lot and giving flop reraises more respect when it is needed.


I think i wanted to post something else but i can't remember right now.