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    Thumbs up OP: Specificity 10nl - 50nl

    Introduction:
    What’s up guys? I’ve been lacking a bit of structure in my grinds as of late and I feel it’s long overdue to start and operation! I need some consistency and structure to keep me on point.


    A bit about me:

    My names Ricky I’m 19 years of age and live in Melbourne, Australia. I finished high school last year. I’m at University studying Film & TV. I’m also sponsored skateboarder.
    I started playing poker ‘seriously’ online over a year ago when I broke my knee. I started at 2nl with a $50 deposit found FTR and began grinding up my roll. After 3 months on crutches / studying and grinding I started to get burnt out especially with being able to walk/skate/live again. I have been a little bit on and off since then just starting University didn’t help also.
    About 3 or so months ago my life settled down and I’ve been able to get back to the grind seriously and plan to keep it that way.


    Expected Outcome:

    Be a consistent winning player @ 50nl Full Ring (BR >$2k)
    Currently @ 25nl Full Ring (BR $1500) **update 8/12**


    Notes:

    Although this operation is rather short in theory (only 2 levels to climb) I’m defiantly planning on another op maybe 50nl-200nl or 400nl? But I feel right now the specifics of an obtainable goal will be beneficial.
    I love the structure of m2m’s and Jason’s operations so if my structure reflects theirs take it as a compliment guys


    RULES:


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    5-10% a day Stop loss Remains unbroken

    - 4 - 6 tables at current stake

    can play more at lower stake(s)
    Remains unbroken

    - Never play if not in the right state of mind
    Remains unbroken to an extent

    - Never browse the web, Facebook, I'M, text, or talk on the phone when grinding
    Broken several times

    - Never look at PT3 session winnings while grinding

    stop loss exception
    Broken several times

    - Write in poker journal after each playing day FAILED AND SCRAPPED


    - Post
    AT LEAST 2 hands a week either in here or in the BC FAILED HORRIBLY BUT WILL CONTINUE TO TRY

    BANKROLL MANAGEMENT:

    $10NL............. $ 300 --------- 30 BI's
    ......COMPLETE
    $25NL............. $ 750 ---------- 30 BI's
    ......COMPLETE BR ~ $1100 *15/11*
    $50NL............. $ 1,500 ------- 30 BI's ......COMPLETE BR ~ $1500 *8/12*





    POKER LIFE BALANCE RULES:


    - I won’t let poker take over my life. I’m not allowed to deny an invitation to anything with the reasoning “I want to stay here and play poker” ( Other valid reasons are acceptable. eg I need to do Homework, I’m sick, I hate that guy ect.)
    Remains unbroken


    - I must apply the 20-20-20 rule when looking at a computer.

    Workrave should prove to be helpful software
    Remains unbroken



    THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN OVER THE COURSE OF THIS OP:


    [ X ] Start a Full Tilt account, get RB,
    [ X ] deposit $600 and clear the bonus [cleared ~$680 ] (8/12)
    [ ] Buy HEM/PT3
    [ ] Sign up to GrinderSchool
    [ ] Record poker video(s) for thought process critique
    [ ] Have a coaching / sweat session(s)
    [ ] Visit Optometrist


    MORE NOTES:


    - Every time a break a rule I need to keep a shameful tally beside it
    FAILED (y/n isn't a tally idiot lol :P)

    - Bonus’ and rakeback will count towards my bankroll (within reason)


    Final Thoughts:

    Well here we go! I’ll be updating regularly with anything I feel relevant and posting hands, graphs and stats as well as short term goals and things i need to study ect. If you guys have and suggestions or criticism for this op or with my rules or goals I’d love to hear them.

    Thanks Everyone, Ricky
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    I'll kick this off with my current 10nl graph and stats



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    1st. Very well organized esp the flow chart.

    "- 2BI a day Stop loss"

    I think this is too low. Sometimes you can lose 2 BIs in in 5 minutes. How about when you lose 5-10% of you BR you stop? If your BR is close to 30 BI then use 5% but if your BR is over 40BIs then use 10%. I think Jason sugessted this.

    You play too many hands from the SB.
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    haha yeah thanks man I took your advice and changed it.

    UPDATE:

    <spoonitnow> so let me describe the general process on how we're going to make you a freakin beast

    So I had my first coaching lesson with spoon today and it was really good and thorougher. We are going to focus on my RANGING and VALUE BETTING so after my session tonight, tomorrow and for the next week or more. I'll post some hands with my most detailed thought process for critique.
    cheers, Ricky
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    UPDATE:
    I went away on a snowboarding trip and kinda got sick so I've been MIA for the last week and a half anyway heres a hand I played before I left. Pretty straight forward just would like some crit on my thought process.


    Villain is 13/0/1 (AG factor) over 58 hands
    My only read was flatted AQo to 4xpf in BB

    Pf = 22+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,AJo+,KJ o+

    Flop folding = 55,33,ATs,KTs,QTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s
    I’m 77% to win

    Flop calling = 66-55,AQs+,KQs,QJs,JTs,AQo+,KQo
    I’m 68% to win

    Flop raising =77+,44,22,AJs,KJs,AJo
    I’m 9% to win

    And im getting 20.83% pott odds to call
    .50/(.50+1.90) = 20.83%


    $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG marina790 ($3.85)
    UTG+1 Hero ($10.71)
    MP1 alealt06 ($10.20)
    MP2 E$TEBAAN ($3.96)
    CO egerth ($10.77)
    BTN juancarlito2 ($11.10)
    SB Lazerdumb ($7.12)
    BB Nicover4 ($10.15)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is UTG+1
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, Lazerdumb calls $0.35, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.90, 2 players)
    Lazerdumb checks, Hero bets $0.50, Lazerdumb raises to $1, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $2.40

    Lazerdumb wins $2.31 (net +$0.91)

    Hero lost $0.90
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    So what's your plan for turn/river if he calls the cbet?
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    I'd say were pretty much folding to any aggression especially if another Broadway falls. We can valuebet the turn if checked to and more comfortably if a 3,5,7,8 or 9 fall. and if we hit our set we are value betting
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    Why do you feel we can valuebet the turn.
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    ahhh I should of said cbet because we think his missed overs will fold out but idk maybe we should of just c/f after the flop call
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    yea fwiw i dont think a 13/0/1 (really low sample size for AF i wouldnt even look at it until you have like 1k+ hands (maybe less but still a lot more than 50)..) is going to be raising 77-TT, also he may not raise all his TP hands, i think his raise is pretty heavily weighted towards sets imo.

    also you have all missed overs in his continuing range, you really think hes floating 100% of those and not folding those some % of the time?

    also you are a 14/12 who is an 8/8 UTG+1, you really think hes calling you as light as QJ and JT KT KJ and all the garbage you put in there? he is tight as it is and is going to be oop vs a very strong range
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    I agree with everything you said haha thanks heaps for putting in the time to reply. Ill post more hands soon cheers guys
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    UPDATE:
    The time I’ve been putting in to grind/study has been a lot less then I’d like lately, hopefully I can turn this around for the rest of the month.
    Just wondering what you guys think of my play and analysis of this hand.

    Just started a table and Villain just sat down with us we are beginning to think he’s a feeeesh due to stack size, avatar, sitting with me and some plays he has made earlier.

    $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    SB alcapone534 ($8.20)
    BB Hero ($10)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) Hero is BB
    alcapone534 raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, alcapone534 calls $0.40

    Flop: ($1.20, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.65, alcapone534 raises to $4.30, Hero goes all-in $9.40, alcapone534 goes all-in $3.30



    I range his flop stacking off range to

    JJ+,77,33,J7s,J3s ,73s,AJo,KJo
    Which gives us 50.378% equity

    So were pretty marginal but I feel that some of the time where gonna be seeing some diamond broadways like AdQd AdJd ect and maybe even TT-88 or QJ and JT
    So then

    77+,33,AdQd,AdJd,QJs,JTs,J7s,73s,AJo,KJo,QJo,JTo
    Gives us 67.487%

    I feel our true equity would be somewhere between these two ranges but over all above 50% so its a profitable shove? I’ll love to hear your thoughts.

    Cheers, Ricky
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    I dont like the 3b or cbet sizing ;(
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    yeah true, on reflection I could of bet larger seeing as the fessh is calling me down. I usually 3bet 3x for 3 and 4bb PF raises. What is there sort of a 'standard' for 3beting a min raise? should i be making it closer to 12bb like against a 4bb raise pf? (3x)
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    If you 3x his min raise you are giving him great odds. .95 in the pot he needs to call .40. So over 2:1: and since with no ace on the flop you are betting this flop most of the time his actual odds against you are even better. Just a thought.
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    I think standard is 3x IP and 3.5-4x OOP, but I generally make it more vs smaller opens because lol hes getting like 20 to 1 implied
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    UPDATE:
    NICE UPDATES AND POSTING HANDS IDIOT!

    lol I have been busy in other aspects in my life study and posting have been what has suffered most...

    ... Butttttt I have still been grindin it out @ 10nl when I've had a spare minute or two

    A little back I moved my BR over to full tilt and have been grindin and bonus whoring it up

    thanks too full tilts silly take 2 promotion my BR hit ~$750 this morning


    So I thought I'd dip a bit into 25nl I ran into some rungood and finished the day up about 2.5 BI's


    Hopefully this rungood gives me a nice custion as I get comfortable with the higher stake I feel like waiting for 30BI's was the best decision I could have ever made. I feel I'm doing well not too play "scared money" (considering my BR is like 1/4 of my life savings lolz)


    I will try a LOT harder to post some more hands and analysis'. In ~2 weeks I have 3 months off so hopefully poker time will go into hyperdrive!
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    Sure would like to see updates more consistently! Looks like over all your doing well. Keep it up!
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    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    lol I defiantly agree!

    UPDATE:
    Played more 25nl today feeshes seem to love to stack off. This one guy was running like jesus lol heres a hand with him;

    Magilla is a 13/7 Tag-ish player

    Nation is a 42/6 drooler with 0.6 ag factor over about 30 hands
    I had seem him stack off a bit already (lol almost 400bb stack) and my notes on him at the time were "call in blinds 79o call cbet gutter straight. call down QK tpGK. had it on bet. flat 47s call down oesd"

    On the flop I feel there is no point Cbetting with the fish so we elect to check.

    On the turn awesome we hit a set. I feel tagish may think his mid pp or Ace high is good and tries to take it down with a cbet we call aiming not to blow fish out of the pot. fish 3 bets tagish is done. I range the fishes 3beting range as Kx, K9, T9 or XcXc I think checking AA KK TT 22 on the flop (slowplay) is defiantly in his range. Or he could have the stone cold nuts QJ.
    We value raise because we see the fish likes his hand and we are way ahead of his range and he shoves over us now we can range him on
    KK+,TT,22,AKs,AcQc,KQs,K9s,QJs,T9s,AKo,KQo,K9o,QJo ,T9o

    which gives us 67.485% equity

    even if we take out KQ we still have 61.846% equity



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    Stacks:
    UTG SlamDunk1128 ($27.74)
    UTG+1 Hero ($25)
    MP tcpro0 ($32.99)
    CO Svarozhich ($27.62)
    BTN The Nation07 ($93.23)
    SB T-diddy4 ($6.80)
    BB Magilla1979 ($29.87)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 7 players) Hero is UTG+1
    1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, The Nation07 calls $1, 1 fold, Magilla1979 calls $0.75

    Flop: ($3.10, 3 players)
    Magilla1979 checks, Hero checks, The Nation07 checks

    Turn: ($3.10, 3 players)
    Magilla1979 bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25, The Nation07 raises to $6, Magilla1979 folds, Hero raises to $15, The Nation07 goes all-in $92.23, Hero goes all-in $9

    RESULTS:


    River:
    K d ($121.58, 2 players, 2 all-in)

    Final Pot:
    $121.58
    The Nation07 shows a straight, King high
    Q h J c

    Hero shows a full house, Nines full of Kings
    9 s 9 c


    Hero wins $50.69 (net +$25.69)


    The Nation07 collects $68.23 (net -$25)

    I'd love some crit on my range thought processes. Hopefully you guys will say "you just ran into the top of his range variance ect" instead of "lolol ez fold n00b"

    I look forword to your replies thanks heaps guys
    Magilla1979 lost $3.25
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    UPDATE:
    Fairly smooth sailing at 25nl just been grinding it out hit 10k hands and chucked em up over here http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988334

    My BR is getting close to breaking the magical 1k lol I will be very ecstatic when that happens...
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    Good job Chatz. Keep it up!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    UPDATE:

    Were half way through November and I'm pretty proud of my volume so far I think i can safely say I can beat 25nl and aslong as retards like this have a internet connection i think things will stay that way

    I just started a new table villain just sat down. Shoved over my 3x BTN raise. Very next hand open shove. Then we played this hand :P

    $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    SB Hero ($25)
    BB coachek ($25.33)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 2 players) Hero is SB
    Hero calls $0.15, coachek goes all-in $25.33, Hero goes all-in $24.75

    Flop: ($50.33, 2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: ($50.33, 2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($50.33, 2 players, 2 all-in)

    Final Pot: $50.33
    coachek shows Ace King high

    Hero shows a pair of Nines


    Hero wins $49.50 (net +$24.50)

    coachek collects $0.33 (net -$25)
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    Bet that $140 to $20 downswing at 3200 hands was pretty frustrating.

    Nice job
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    haha yeah man. When I'm getting sucked out on after getting Aces in pre eases the self doubt a little tho lol.

    UPDATE:
    Now that I have established I'm beating 25nl. I can stress a little bit less and focus some energy onto a tilt issue I have, whist still grindin towards 50nl. I feel like I'm too result orientated. Every time after I have a heater session I look in cashier and am like "sick my BR is $xxxx now" then going into the next session I'm like "ooh my BR is $xxxx" so when I have a cooler it's not great for me mentally and makes me check PT3 constantly mid session and can cause me to tilt. So I'm going to do a little experiment.

    OP IN AN OP:

    Basically starting tonight I'm not checking cashier for 1 week until Thursday the 25th of November 12:01am

    STARTING BR: Thursday 18th November 1201am: $1,111.88

    I hope this takes my mind of the bi product of playing solid poker ($$$$) and I can just focus on playing my A game which has been proven to be profitable.

    If I feel I'm getting close to my daily stop loss I'll just quit without checking or If i have some bad beats and really want to keep playing I might get my brother to check for me so it doesn't ruin the experiment.

    To review hands I'll keep my PT3 window half closed like this so i can't see sessional amount won or the graph lol



    Here I go off into the darkness, should be interesting I'll post updates during the week.
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    I started doing this about a month ago. And I have to say it has made much more enjoyable.

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    Chatzilla you're kicking ass buddy keep it up!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    haha cheers guys!

    UPDATE:
    I've Been a bit busy with my life outside of poker since starting the OP in a OP but still managed to sneak some hands in each day. Not looking at my BR is a really a cool feeling, I'm defiantly intrigued to see how this week pans out.
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    UPDATE:
    Woot! I completed the op in the op today with positive results A few times I was very tempted to peak at cashier and had to fight the urge. I feel I played fairly poor this week even tho I put in good volume. I was pretty tired for a few sessions and def spewed off chips I could of kept if i was 100% in the game. Still happy with the result tho



    $75.10 profit + ~60 Bonus + RB = $133.35

    BR = $1245.23

    50nl dw ima coming
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    UPDATE:

    WOOT WOOT!! thanks to a 3 BI heater session today I'm now rolled for 50nl with my BR sitting at ~$1500



    heres my complete 25nl graph to date



    and redline




    I think I'm going to take a rather careful approach to 50nl as I feel I still have lotssss to learn, and don't want to catch myself doing some of the lol shit i do at 25nl. I will continue to play 25nl just so even If i suck super hard at 50nl my BR wont take to much of a hit. I will really try and ease into it to try avoid playing scared money. I pretty amazed at how fast you can progress in poker... 1 year ago I deposited $50 and now I could win or lose that in a single hand... AND i'm properly rolled haha.

    I think I will start my sessions with some 25nl and then swap to 4 50nl tables once i get good and going.

    I'm very excited to see how I go and what its like up in the 'small stakes' :P

    I'll start tomorrow!!!
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    Very interested in your thoughts at 50NL as you move up. I'm approaching $1500 myself and was planning on waiting til $2k before playing 50NL. Very nice heater towards the end. Looks like it was more than 3 BIs.
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    UPDATE:
    Damn holidays got me slacking again!!! We'll a fair bits happened since my last post.

    I here's my "failed shot" at 50nl


    I gave up after 2 BI's but I feel like I learnt heaps from this. My first observation is there are still plenty of idiots willing to donate, doing the usual retarded stuff. That being said, I feel like i was defiantly playing scared money I think I can also abritute this to snap moving up as soon and my BR ticked over 1499.99. I feel like I was trying to rush things when I could of stayed at 25nl and continued to practice and study more.

    After moving back to 25nl my run bad kept coming and I defiantly made a couple of tilty calls and spewy decisions to stretch it that much longer.

    With the holidays I had been pretty busy and I would cut down my study time and then play when i get a spare hour or so, run horrible then tilt quit and not want to think about poker then do the same thing in a few days when I get some spare time again. That was horrible and I don't want to let that happen ever again.

    Anyway now I've recomposed myself, thinking clearly again and regrindin' 25nl. My specific goal now is more to try and play better ratehr then to reach 30BI's at 50nl. Maybe see a winrate higher then 2.5ptbb/100 over 10 or 20k hands?
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    GL you'll be fine now!
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    UPDATE:
    GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!



    last night I cleared my $600 bonus on full tilt with a few hours to spares phew haha





    My recouping is going really well I've felt like I've been picking up on much more at the tables and thinking lots more. I'm once again rolled for 50nl but I'm going to stay at 25nl for a bit longer. I want study a bit more and have 15k new hands with a winrate <2.5ptbb/100 before I take another shot.
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    UPDATE:
    Even though I havn't updated i aggggggeeees i have now finished this op haha
    [ X ] Start a Full Tilt account, get RB, [ X ] deposit $600 and clear the bonus [cleared ~$600 ]
    [ X] Buy HEM/PT3 - PT3
    [ X] Sign up to GrinderSchool
    [ X] Record poker video(s) for thought process critique - ChatZilla 25nl on Vimeo
    [ X] Have a coaching / sweat session(s) - cheers rpm
    [ X] Visit Optometrist - short sighted ldo


    BR is ~$2400
    50nl graphy


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