learn:apply:win monies: moveup... rinse & repeat

k i know i just started an operation and don't mean to spam up the forum,
but i'm starting this operation in a new frame of mind, i want strip down my game and rebuild it again, hopefully leaving out the leaks i have and reapplying the strong parts of my game(if any, lol), as well as learn much more. . i've played a few thousand hands (which obv is nothing) at 25nl and pretty much broke even, but i'm starting fresh, focused and motivated.

I really suck at cash, so I have arranged to get coaching, so this should help me pinpoint some of the major leaks in my game, and hopefully correct/eliminate them.

i still want to play Mtt's/SnG's when i have time, because i do still feel i'm quite +EV in these especially mid/late game (mtt's) when ICM comes more into play. I feel i'm pretty good at puting players on shoving/calling ranges and knowing non exploitable shoving ranges. which comes from many SnGs, which is very important in mtt's. hopefully i can expand on this to improve postflop hand reading for deepstacks (both mtt's and cash)

as for cash i'll continue playing 6 max so i can play a bit more laggy, as moving from mtt's/sngs to FR can me extreamly boring IMO. i'm rolled for 50nl, but definitely not good enough to play that, plus over half my roll is on FT, so i could very well lose that money. so i'm playing on PS with about 50 BI's at 25nl.

i'll wait till my first coaching session to post my goals/leaks i have to fix, i do know I have to slow down on decisions and use reads/notes not just use generic lines in the situations where reads are important (i guess that is almost every decision). i also tend to rely on raw aggression without consiously thinking why!!!

lots to fix, here we GO!
If anyone wants to chat about poker or is in a similar situation
fulksy on Skype

1st, GL.

Are you still gonna be playings sngs or are you fully moving to cash?? Yea I agree randomly taking shots at mtts isnt really so bad since you are probably +ev but I think its good to have a more solid source of poker income with cash / sngs.

from whom are you getting coaching? gl sir

Originally Posted by dneureiter

1st, GL.

TY

Originally Posted by dneureiter

Are you still gonna be playings sngs or are you fully moving to cash?? Yea I agree randomly taking shots at mtts isnt really so bad since you are probably +ev but I think its good to have a more solid source of poker income with cash / sngs.

no not fully moving to cash, i still enjoy playing SnGs and they are still my bread and butter, so to speak, so still wanna keep playing them. Also don't want to get to rusty on ICM. I know that i could make more in SnGs right now, but i kinda want to expand my knowledge of deepstack play. As well during summer months its hard to put in long sessions for mtt's and sngs so with cash i can sit down for an hour or two and play (guess i could do that with sng's to ldo). its kinda a new challenge so looking forward to it.

from whom are you getting coaching?

donachello.

gl sir

Ty

http://www.gamblingsystem.biz/books/2p2NL6max.pdf is really good read imo and a great starting point for 6max

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

http://www.gamblingsystem.biz/books/2p2NL6max.pdf is really good read imo and a great starting point for 6max

TY very much, only read first few pages but already can tell this is going to very helpful.

The Harrington book on online cash games is pretty good imo.

Originally Posted by baudib

The Harrington book on online cash games is pretty good imo.

thanks, I'll try and pick up a copy.

was gonna wait till after i started getting coaching to update but Don is still on vacation. anyways things have been going ok i guess, my cash game is pretty horrendous I'm finding out lol. have had very little time to play and am still only two tabling and really don't want to add any until i start playing better and have learned a bit more, but over my very small sample (4000) i am already starting to see some major leaks. self analyzing is tough sometimes because I tend to try and justify bad habits, bad lines, bad bluffs, bad calls, etc. and although I've been getting better at it, having an outside prospective will be nice.

i have won money but its how i'm winning which is the problem because i don't think its sustainable. I'm losing money overall on showdowns and am crushing without showdown which should be opposite. I do think there are both positives and negatives of this. I think i play pretty Decent IP and understand when (and against what opponent) I can rep hands and bluff. but i also think that I'm probably not getting to showdown enough with my strong hands which means I'm obviously taking bad lines. As for my terrible showdown winnings, I'm calling and getting my chips in way to weak like a fish, quite a few of the hands where i got staked were coolers or flips. but no excuses i need to fix that.

i also tilted a bit at certain times which i usually didn't do in sngs and mtt's so need to work on that a bit too.

anyways major leaks
-way way way to loose oop especially BB.
-Calling to light in big pots
-need to b/f more, especially turn and river. I'm missing value, and sometimes I'm calling with mediocre hands, because i think he's bluffing when he's not.
- making decisions to quickly
- quit stacking off light!!!!!!

there's way more then that but i don't want to keep rambling

taking hoopy's advice i'm not looking at cashier, but i;m still bad at looking at my HEM graphs and reports too much during a session.

well here's the graph before coaching



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^^ Winning is winning. Off to a solid start at least. Do you find cash boring always playing with such "deep" stacks. I have a hard time with patience after sngs where blinds go UP obviously

small sample etc blue line but wtflol redline

hey my man! Fulksy, good to see the new op. Nice graph keep it up

You sound totally in the right mindset, looking forward to seeing your solid progression

Originally Posted by dneureiter

^^ Winning is winning. Off to a solid start at least. Do you find cash boring always playing with such "deep" stacks. I have a hard time with patience after sngs where blinds go UP obviously

oh yea i get pretty bored, buts i'm getting used to it a bit, still miss being able to shove ATC lol, i still want to mix in Sngs and mtt's though.

small sample etc blue line but wtflol redline

yea and played bout another thousand hands or so and red line just keeps going up, i don't know WTF maybe coming from playing tourneys i'm to aggressive

hey my man! Fulksy, good to see the new op. Nice graph keep it up

You sound totally in the right mindset, looking forward to seeing your solid progression

thanks man, appreciate it

had my first coaching session with Don, and feel it went really good, he knows what he's talking about an is seems really good at explaining his thought process. it was just a quick one hour sweat but i already feel like i'm picking up on some things that i was doing wrong, and just having someone that knows what he's talking about to to bounce my thoughts off will help a ton IMO.

couple of things i'm working on (or still working on)
-still to loose in blinds
- calling strong hands IP instead of always 3 betting,( i'm folding out some two many hands i crush)
- adding some 4 betting (i'm 4 betting pretty much only AA/KK and definitely need to balance a bit, and value 4 bet lighter against the appropriate villans.)
- proper bet sizing (4 bet sizing is terrible as i just found out)

theirs tons more but thats a start


was a bit unsure here, villan was 67/0 over small sample and i'm trying to learn to B/F more and c/c less, i think flop/turn is somewhat ok, unsure on river. he's really loose, passive so i'm sure i'm getting called by Ax, but maybe its a bit thin for value.

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NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($21.39)
BB ($25.15)
UTG ($27.36)
Hero ($25.40)
CO ($37.64)
BTN ($32.52)

Dealt to Hero Q A

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.85) A 8 T

Hero bets $1.25, BTN calls $1.25

TURN ($4.35) A 8 T 6

Hero bets $2.75, BTN calls $2.75

RIVER ($9.85) A 8 T 6 7

[color=red]Hero bets $4.75,




hers a hand against 32/27 that we discussed and figured flatting is better IP

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($37.31)
BB ($30.91)
UTG ($26.44)
UTG+1 ($26.25)
CO ($25.34)
Hero ($24.65)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, fold

Hero shows J J

Hero wins $1.85


and lastly this hand i made a mistake as i think that i should be flatting
and 3 betting very strong hands and some weaker hands at the top of my folding range.

villan 19/15 over 400

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NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($25)
Hero ($36.52)
UTG ($30.91)
UTG+1 ($36.02)
CO ($12.01)
BTN ($31.20)

Dealt to Hero T A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.70, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, [color=red]


other then that things are going OK graph is still a little funky, but gonna get things turned around, so this is pretty much my complete graph before coaching and so will see how she looks from here on out.

running a bit below EV



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also been playing some 8 game mix, players are so bad at other games if you have any sort of common sense knowledge about poker or game theory they are so easy to beat. but its just low stakes .20/.40 or .50/1 i do it just for fun and to learn new games. its late and can't sleep don't want to play NL when i'm tired cause its all but certain that i'll spew and go to bed tilted. so 8 game it is.

haven't played much at all been out of town a bit on holidays. Anyways been playing cash for about a month(but i guess a couple days worth of volume for most) and things are still going good, i think i'm running ok not in the sense of sucking out or hands holding up, but my bluffs seem to be working more then they should i think i'm picking decent spots but still.

i was looking through my hands and noticed that i almost never hit a set which got me realizing that i'm probably playing low/mid pp very bad, because you hit sets so rarely you really need to make sure your playing PP in a profitable way, which includes playing them in spots with high implied odds and against players who are more likely to pay off your sets, anyways seems simple but its something that i really need to work on.

still can't find the fold button, so i'm stacking off way way to light or bluffing in just horrendous spots, so working on that as well

also trying out new/weird lines that i know is not necessary at 25 nl but as i'm a recreational player my goal is to move up more then it is to keep grinding out a profit at 25nl, and i think some of the stuff i'm trying will help me grow more. but meh maybe not lol

also played a few PLO/PLO8 and 8 game tournys players are so so bad, but you do need to run decent because your getting at least 6 to every flop, super high variance games at low stakes

Don's been away so haven't had another coaching session yet but looking forward to it, to see if he noticed any changes.



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played bout another 2000 hands and things went terrible, everytime i was in a hand i seemed to run into the very top of their range. super frustrated and played so ridiculously bad i honestly can't stop myself from making retarded calls, i've even gotten better at slowing down to actually think about what my opponent could have,then i narrow it down to pretty much only hands that beat me, then for some reason i level myself into thinking that he might of taken a ridiculous line or he's raising super thin for value, which is beyond retarded. being a calling station donk is by far my biggest leak.

i'm also been getting in this terrible habit of floating flops and just spewing on turn and river.

the shitty thing is i know for the most part what my main leaks are, i just can't stop doing them, maybe its a tilt issue, or maybe i'm just fucked in the head either way if i don't start figuring it out i won't last to long.

anyways just had to get some of this stuff down hopefully this operation will eventually make me stop doing all this stupid stuff.

also blew quite a bit on mtt's mainly PLO. PLO mtt's are probably the most tilting things ever, there super soft but because equity's are so close even if you flop the nuts no ones folding and your gonna get sucked out on a ton.

still up bout 11-12 BI's which is OK but thinking glass half empty cause i was up more.


*EDIT* figured out all you have to do to win is rungood, went and played a short 400 hand session boom almost 5 BI's

uhgggg super tilted right now, this switch to cash games has brought back tilt issues that i thought i eliminated a long time ago, after a while i learned to almost never really tilt in sngs/mtts since meh your out so no use worrying about it, either fire up more or quit. In cash when the same fish sucks out on you time after time, or things aren't going right i have a tough time keeping focused and start spewing like crazy, and instead of quitting or just playing solid i try ridiculous stuff. so this is jumping near the top of leaks i need to fix, right after calling way way way to weak in big pots. i down nearly 12 BI's at showdown by calling with one pair.

anyways more of just a vent for me, going to try to play more tomorrow.