Fun hand because I want to shove turn when I never fold out better and never get called by worse.

I opened Q8 at the CO 7 handed for 2.5x, and both blinds called. relative stacks 30bb.
Flop: J82 (7.5bb)
checks to me, I bet 5bb, sb calls, bb folds

turn: J
sb checks

He called flop and checked turn very fast which I think reduces his Jx combos by a significant amount.

So there's 17.5 in the pot and we have about 22.5 behind.
His range is pretty much (stuff that he would c/ship the flop already subtracted):



drawing:
naked AK, AQ: 30
suited aces with a fd minus AKs: 8
sc's with a fd: 56s 1
9To: 16
79, TQ: ~8 (weighted to suited diamonds, hearts, clubs)
63 x 80% equity

I pwn:
22-77, 78, 89:
60 x 85%

He pwns:
AJ, KJ, JQ, TJ, (34 but weighted against, so ~10) 99, TT (12):
22 x 7.5%




Checking:
(63/145 * (17.5 * 0.8)) + (60/145 * (17.5 * 0.85)) + (22/145 * (17.5 * 0.075) =12.437EV


Shoveling:
Assuming that he folds his draws and everything I beat.
(63/145 * 17.5) + (60/145 * 17.5) + (22/145 * ( (40 * 0.075) - (22.5 * 0.925)))=12.1422EV

So in this scenario shoving is 0.29bb less profitable than checking.



Ok, so let's say I pull of a Daniel Negreanu and let's say he never has any Jx combos:
Nah, let's do that later lohlz
Should be more +EV then checking. I'll wait till the knobs from StoxEV send me a working regkey and then play around with it some more.
It would be fun to be able to quantify how few combos of better hands there need to be compared to draws to make a shove profitable when it's only purpose is to get draws to fold.
procrastination ftw!

And thx a ton to Sup3r from irc for this: http://mathematics.mc.maricopa.edu/s...I-Emulator.exe
emulator of the super awesome Texas Instruments TI-89.
Cannot guarantee it's malware free.