2013: Make or break

Originally Posted by Alexos

1- a spot where id actually rather make a smaller turn bet rather than a big one. I'd fold.
2-fold pre, fold river
3-seems like quads, id call but can't justify it other than it seems like quads or air given he can't have too many 6x 4x.
4-don't like your c/r since he's utg. J on turn means you're now crushed pretty much (dont think too many ppl open AT utg nowadays). I'd just go c/c c/c, but as played fold turn

2. Easy fold on river? If we bet smaller ($110ish) would you be more tempted to call?

4. It's not PFR that I c/r, it's preflop cold caller. Does that change anything?

Action vs same villain on different tables: Distinguishing between a bluff or value bet one one of them?

This is a spot that comes up somewhat often. You're playing a villain on multiple tables at once. On table A you get to the river and villain shoves into you and you're trying to decide what to do. On table B I take a line that I hope will try to help me make a decision on table A (ie: I 3b villain or raise villain on the flop and see how villain reacts).

In general from my experience if villain super snap folds on Table B, he's trying not to intentionally frustrate you into stubborn calling him on the other table. Especially if its a spot where villain rarely folds (ie: villain calls tons of 3b, and suddenly super snap folds). Likewise, if villain plays back at you it's more likely that he has a hand on Table A.

Look at it this way: You just bluff shoved vs villain on one table and he's time banking and now he 3b you on another table. Are you really going to 4b him in this spot? Probably not.

This is a hand that came up yesterday.

Table A:
-villain was being a stationy non-believer so I was pretty sure he'd view my double barrel on this card as hearts or some draw and call down any pair
-river is tough cause I rarely have 6x when I check here, and my most common occurrence here is to c/f since he can be v-betting 78/T8/77/TT.

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($552.40) 138bb
CO ($586.20) 147bb
BTN ($425.50) 106bb
SB ($402) 101bb
BB ($656.90) 164bb

Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, BTN calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30, 2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN calls $20

Turn: ($70, 2 players)
Hero bets $50, BTN calls $50

River: ($170, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $135, Hero looks to Table B..

Table B
-villain was the type of player that bets turns after i ck back flops
-this hand happened while I was time banking the above hand
-I intentionally check backed flop to see what he would do and he snap c/f in a spot I expect him to bet or c/c somewhat often

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($231.55) 116bb
CO ($70) 35bb
BTN ($202) 101bb
SB ($175.55) 88bb
BB ($200) 100bb

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($13, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9, BB folds



Back to Table A:
-This action on Table B pushed my close decision on table A from a fold to a call

River: ($170, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $135, Hero calls $135

Final Pot: $440
Hero shows

BTN shows


Hero wins $437 (net +$220)

BTN lost $217

No thoughts on this theory?

Surely someone must either agree that it seems reasonable, or really think I'm way over-thinking?

Need to promote some responses going here, boring talking to myself

Originally Posted by griffey24

No thoughts on this theory?

Surely someone must either agree that it seems reasonable, or really think I'm way over-thinking?

Need to promote some responses going here, boring talking to myself

Bit of an old post but I just read it. It think it can be true but it's a bit flimsy, not something I would stake everything on. In hand A, I'd c/c turn, and as played it is a call anyway.. not happy with it ofcourse. He won't bet so hard with the many 2p he can have so it's only a 6 or a set he pretends to have.