wellrounded, you make good sense. we just are disagreeing on how each other would play the hand. i talked with a friend of mine last night, about this specific hand, and he sided with you. he said the same thing and called me a spewmonkey. so, oh well. like i said, i dont do this at slightly higher levels. but, i do bet this river at 5NL. i just dont give them any credit for being good players. and, i would just shake my head with how horribly villain played his hand, and got rewarded with a suckout on me...as ogre said.

as for Tombstone, that movie has so many beautiful one-liners it deserves its own thread...

my fave..."i've got two guns. one for each of ya."