Who wants to learn about 3-betting?

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

1. They play optimally and you can never get an edge no matter how you play.
2. They fold too much.
3. They don't fold enough.


The adjustment for #2 is that you 3-bet bluff more and/or 3-bet for value less.
The adjustment for #3 is that you 3-bet bluff less and/or 3-bet for value more.

The scary thing is, this should be obvious to anyone giving 3-bet ranges even a bit of thought. Guys, dont hang around waiting for Spoon to give you answers you can mindlessly follow. Think these things through and work stuff out.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

1. They play optimally and you can never get an edge no matter how you play.
2. They fold too much.
3. They don't fold enough.
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if a "2. They fold too much." decided to 4-bet, then you gotta start thinking KK+. You also need to relate these categories to their pre-flop ranges - a 9-2 nit is never a "3. They don't fold enough" cos they always have QQ+/AK....
a 26-24 is unlikely to "2. They fold too much"

and if you're asking about 3-betting, you should also ask which category you fit into. And then think about 3-betting ranges and 4-betting. Position is so closely related to 3-betting action that separating the two is asking for trouble.

Actually you would be surprised. A player's VP$IP/PFR is not often that telling of how they handle 3-bets.