where to go now?

i have been playing for 10 months now and made some profit playing tourneys. every time i win a tourney i end up cashing out to pay a car bill.
i leave like $50 in my roll and wonder why i lose it. and have to deposit 25 again. i have no source of income besides poker and some minor wins and my savings trust me im broke i really want to turn this into a living so i focus on my game 24 hours a day or as much as i can i don't want a day job the rest of my life and am going to start going to college again next year. i know i can make it in poker because i was top 3 % of poker stars players in the first 6 months. and beat 3 of 4 qualifiers to the wsop. then pulled out for a car bill, how sic is that? then for the months of may and june i wanted to learn cash games. so i would multi table like 5 tables of 2-5 cent full ring and study the art of cash gaming, turns out im way better at tourneys. my stats where falling fast on opr. i was in discussed. now im between cash and tourneys and cant decide. help i want to build a bigger roll, and stop cashing out after i win a tourney. check my stats on opr and maybe give some advice of where to go or what to do . once i got 22nd in the daily 30 grand when i lost to JJ and i held AA pre flop for over a million chips and only won $100 bucs when first paid over $5,000........if i had won that hand things would be alot different money wise. so i know my mind set is there. im thinking if i spend enough time on poker i could make alot more money then if i worked as a manager somewhere els. god forbid lol. any tips advice feel free to comment tx

cash goal

There are three things you need to be successful in poker;

1. A bankroll
2. Relative Skill edge and rakeback.
3. Quantity of play.

Seems like you have 2 and 3 in order so you are almost there!

You need to be more realistic with your poker goals if you do not have a bankroll. IMO you need 20K USD in your roll if that is your only income and you want to make good money. At the very least you need about 5 K USD in addition to a good skill edge.

As you rise in levels your oppents will be better, and this means you have to study poker quite a lot in addtion to the play time. Poker is not easy money.

wow 5k bank roll thats.... thats...... tuff i have 20 bucs in my roll because of withdrawals and a cash game down swing of $150 now what? low stakes cash gamers r killing me ..... im stuck at 2/5 cent tables and winning alot of small pots but loosing the big ones..... it seams like lol i wanna move up badly

then get a job imo

The road is tough, but not impossible.

I had a 20 USD roll which I made into 2700 last year. But then I realized I probably was lucky, and last 6 months I have only studied poker and played less than 50 hours. There was no use spending time on the tables if I did not have skill advantage.

In poker anything is possible, and if you dedicate yourself 100% to poker I doubt no one is able to stop you from achieving whatever goals you set yourself.

well before he can support himself with poker he needs to spend like a year grinding his roll up and studying the game

Even a year is a bit short.

you didn't have to say it three times, but I started playing seriously a year ago

Hehe, internet failed.

Im not that fakked up!

My advice.
Go to college.
Get a part-time job.
Play poker in spare time.
Quit part-time job and play poker instead once poker income hourly rate > 2x the hourly rate of your part-time job.
Maybe take a semester off to focus exclusively on poker once you've made your first 10k.
Maybe go back to college, maybe be a balla.
Enjoy.

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

i don't want a day job the rest of my life and am going to start going to college again next year.

seems there is a lot of life you have no clue about

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

i know i can make it in poker because i was top 3 % of poker stars players in the first 6 months.

this doesn't mean you can make it, sorry. Maybe you can (and I wish you luck), but this is not proof..

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

so i would multi table like 5 tables of 2-5 cent full ring and study the art of cash gaming, turns out im way better at tourneys.

if this means that you couldn't beat 2nl then wow, you aren't going to make it as a tourney player either without doing a lot of work..

I don't know anything about your cash game play, but it's likely that you are too loose and passive pre-flop which makes life harder as the pots get bigger. Learn pre-flop, learn where the fold button is post-flop, and you can beat micros to 25nl no problem.
Also you need to learn about bankroll management

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

when first paid over $5,000........if i had won that hand things would be alot different money wise.

um, you still would have had to run very lucky to place first. More likely bust 7th for $600 or something, not much difference moneywise. And how long can you live on $5k anyway? really?

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

so i know my mind set is there. im thinking if i spend enough time on poker i could make alot more money then if i worked as a manager somewhere els

maybe, but there are a lot of negatives to being a pro poker player as well. Happy to discuss. I would suggest that there are very few poker players who consistently earn >$100k/annum. There are many managers who attain this.

Man, everything everyone has said here is absolutely correct.

There was a couple month span in 2008 where I lived solely off poker earnings without the necessary bankroll & skill level. The majority of the money I made was strictly due to luck & I only had enough to squeek by paying the bills for a small amount of time. This seems to be the same sort of thing that you're doing right now. You can certainly run well for a short time, but before you know it the bills are piling up & the pressure's building to where you HAVE to win something. It's not a good situation to be in.

Get a job, build a roll "the hard way." When you're starting you need to seperate poker money from life-expense money.

i agree what everyone is saying about get a job and stuff but for some reason my heart says stay in the game and rake the rewards. if a manager makes 100k and so does the poker player.. which would u rather be if it took 4 years to become a manager 4 years to become a poker pro each at over 40 hours week? i think my investment in poker will exceed my investment in anything els because theres nothing else i rather do!!!!! besides golf and surf. and im not going to become pro at those... part time job is a good idea and yes i will attain one max 20 hours a week. the thing is.. is that im broke but my family isn't. so we have money to live happy...as for college i was going to take some math classes and psychology classes to help with my poker game. its so possible and i know its far off but everyone started somehow. ok i rather be kinda broke for 4 years then go to school and get a part time job thats well over 50 hours a week of doing something i dont like to do, and if my heart isnt in something ill do it half ass. in this economy a degree isnt much anymore! (sad to say) i want to thank all of u for the advice and they are all good its kinda weird but my first born son was born 080808 and then poker attack me october of that year crazy i would of never thought i would be playing this game serious, and be so exciting making money. and its not a coin flip its a chess match i tell the parents lol. heres my conclusion of this.. im going get a part time job and take 1 or 2 classes of math etc...... play bigger events on stars and not cash out one cent till i make 3-5 thousand a month if u have anymore advice about life and the game feel free to add something but i really really 110% know i can do this for a living.. soon also come find me on the stars under mr.duvall25 and say hi i kinda need a person i can go over hands with and share ideas.. that would be nice well gatta go learn more


aloha and thanks

you have a son? get a bloody job and support him ffs.

i told u guys already both r families have money we are easily supported by both sides.
and i was working as a cheesecake factory server for 3 years making 3 k a month at 30 hours i know when to work how to work at what it does...ive held 3 jobs before and soo on.....i can landscape any time i want, for 100 bucs a day doesn't mean i want too ..dont tell me to get a job you should be giving me tips about where to go with poker not life i have parents already geeeeeeeeees poker tips i need poker tools books any tips where to go what to play i wanna win win win learn learn learn then take down the sunday million for $220,000 and i will i swear on my life.......... thanks for the support guys it helps....... i take it all seriously

aloha

I want you to learn punctuation then move on to learning poker. Please.

Get a fuckin job.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Get a fuckin job.

thanks guys but this isn't an english forum imo i can work when i want too.... y cant poker be a job huh? even if it takes 4 years and i make 1000 a month after that if im happy and the family is happy i loose nothing. if i work 40 hours a week and come home pissed off wanting to play poker thats harder on my family. if im a little broke but xtreamly happy and have ambition in moving up in poker everyone is happier. imo whats this guys job above me leave comments to people, as he thinks hes got everyones lives figured out ha. ok papa c u on the tables moron. sry for the grammar i hate english but math i love, glad theres no english in poker huh.. while your at work ur wife's getting banged up.. instead u play poker online and watch her cook u food. Now tell me whats better, also "It is the attitude of your family towards money that will decide how happy you will be"

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Get a fuckin job.

thanks guys but this isn't an english forum imo i can work when i want too.... y cant poker be a job huh? even if it takes 4 years and i make 1000 a month after that if im happy and the family is happy i loose nothing. if i work 40 hours a week and come home pissed off wanting to play poker thats harder on my family. if im a little broke but xtreamly happy and have ambition in moving up in poker everyone is happier. imo whats this guys job above me leave comments to people, as he thinks hes got everyones lives figured out ha. ok papa c u on the tables moron. sry for the grammar i hate english but math i love, glad theres no english in poker huh.. while your at work ur wife's getting banged up.. instead u play poker online and watch her cook u food. Now tell me whats better, also "It is the attitude of your family towards money that will decide how happy you will be"

Because you suck and can't make enough money for it to be a job right now.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Get a fuckin job.

thanks guys but this isn't an english forum imo i can work when i want too.... y cant poker be a job huh? even if it takes 4 years and i make 1000 a month after that if im happy and the family is happy i loose nothing. if i work 40 hours a week and come home pissed off wanting to play poker thats harder on my family. if im a little broke but xtreamly happy and have ambition in moving up in poker everyone is happier. imo whats this guys job above me leave comments to people, as he thinks hes got everyones lives figured out ha. ok papa c u on the tables moron. sry for the grammar i hate english but math i love, glad theres no english in poker huh.. while your at work ur wife's getting banged up.. instead u play poker online and watch her cook u food. Now tell me whats better, also "It is the attitude of your family towards money that will decide how happy you will be"

Because you suck and can't make enough money for it to be a job right now.

who is to say how much a job should pay if i make 100 dollars a week is that not considered income imo what if im in indoo where 100 bucs is like a thousand bucks

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Get a fuckin job.

thanks guys but this isn't an english forum imo i can work when i want too.... y cant poker be a job huh? even if it takes 4 years and i make 1000 a month after that if im happy and the family is happy i loose nothing. if i work 40 hours a week and come home pissed off wanting to play poker thats harder on my family. if im a little broke but xtreamly happy and have ambition in moving up in poker everyone is happier. imo whats this guys job above me leave comments to people, as he thinks hes got everyones lives figured out ha. ok papa c u on the tables moron. sry for the grammar i hate english but math i love, glad theres no english in poker huh.. while your at work ur wife's getting banged up.. instead u play poker online and watch her cook u food. Now tell me whats better, also "It is the attitude of your family towards money that will decide how happy you will be"

Because you suck and can't make enough money for it to be a job right now.

who is to say how much a job should pay if i make 100 dollars a week is that not considered income imo what if im in indoo where 100 bucs is like a thousand bucks

What if you actually wanted to make some money in poker? Then you might stop arguing and listen to what people have to say when you ask for advice.

If you don't want to accept literally EVERYONE'S advice, then why are you posting? These people are far more educated in poker & obviously life as well. Either listen to the suggestions, or quit posting about it.

retards hes trying to tell me to get a job thats not advice thats arrogance. poker is a job and a business we make investments and learn from them. maybe give me advice of what to play. help find leaks in my game teach me to play better poker not "go get a job" so i can play less poker that doesn't make since. im asking where to go in poker not life..... i just need to stop cashing out my small tourney wins to go play golf...lol

if i here go get a job one more time im going to go ape sh!t. give me advice on moving up in POKER thats POKER not go get an application at pizza hut kid that will help. help my kid tell everyone his dad works at pizza hut. lol geeees really come on guys and i take all advise very seriously.... i do really im asking for any tips on books and articles i should be reading. and as the topic says where should i go from hear. in POKER

yeah poker is a business, you gotta pay for information.

pick up David Sklansky's Theory of Poker and No Limit Hold'em Theory and Practice books, they're a must read.

also, read all the articles in the digest etc.

If you have a kid then you need to be making some responsible decisions here instead of acting like the typical 16-19 year old college kid we see multiple times a month show up here saying the same types of things you are about not getting a job and trying to live off of 2nl.

You will not be making half of minimum wage inside of the next two months.

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

retards hes trying to tell me to get a job thats not advice thats arrogance

incorrect
if you play 2NL right now you'll be making 1 dollar an hour
if you work at mcdonald's right now you'll be making 8 dollars an hour or w/e

if you can't tell which is a better choice, then you're a BAD POKER PLAYER

Originally Posted by iopq

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

retards hes trying to tell me to get a job thats not advice thats arrogance

incorrect
if you play 2NL right now you'll be making 1 dollar an hour
if you work at mcdonald's right now you'll be making 8 dollars an hour or w/e

if you can't tell which is a better choice, then you're a BAD POKER PLAYER

again people its not about the job or my income status. its where should i take poker from here or where it takes me.. its not i repeat its not about a minimum wage job or my income at this time im happy with my savings account and where i am in life. more tips in poker not life please..... and i know i aint making much now but thats not the point. where it takes me and how ambitious i am towards poker and where i could get too in poker. here a han d from the tourney im still in on the stars
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00+$0.20 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (t15085)
BB (t4744)
UTG (t3147)
UTG+1 (t3915)
MP1 (t5414)
MP2 (t6966)
MP3 (t9938)
CO (t6630)
Button (t6425)

Hero's M: 25.14

Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
3 folds, MP2 calls t250, MP3 bets t750, 2 folds, Hero calls t625, 1 fold, MP2 calls t500

Flop: (t2725) , , (3 players)
Hero bets t750, 1 fold, MP3 calls t750

Turn: (t4225) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t750, Hero calls t750

River: (t5725) (2 players)


hero ? ill tell u what i did after

heres a cool one same tourney
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00+$0.20 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 75 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t28277)
UTG (t38604)
UTG+1 (t25937)
MP1 (t30529)
MP2 (t5615)
MP3 (t5944)
CO (t37274)
Button (t33365)
SB (t7070)

Hero's M: 15.08

Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
3 folds, MP2 calls t800, 2 folds, Button bets t1600, 1 fold, Hero calls t800, MP2 calls t800

Flop: (t5875) , , (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets t1600, Hero raises to t4000, 1 fold, Button calls t2400

Turn: (t13875) (2 players)
Hero bets t1600, Button calls t1600

River: (t17075) (2 players)
Hero bets t10400, Button raises to t26090 (All-In), Hero calls t10602 (All-In)

Total pot: t59079

Results:
Button had A, K (one pair, twos).
Hero had 2, 2 (four of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero won t59079

Jeez,you say you can make 100$ a day landscaping.....well why the hell don't you do two weeks landscaping and deposit the $1000 and play at the stakes that match your skills. Poker is about making decisions and you can't even make the most basic one about how live and support your family and poker career. Most of us here are either students or working and playing poker around those activities.
Because you've had some cashs you think you're good.The fact that you can't beat 2nl and 5nl , and have no regard for bankroll management means that you aren't any good at the moment.The sooner you accept that the quicker your poker education will truly begin.

This thread tilts me.

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

part time job is a good idea and yes i will attain one max 20 hours a week.

this sounds smart.

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

as for college i was going to take some math classes and psychology classes to help with my poker game.

the level of maths required to understand all poker theory that you need is not beyond High School level. A degree in math is unnecessary, and if you're not either fascinated by math or very good at it then the study will be torture. I got a maths degree years ago, and am definitely not saying not to do it - but don't base this decision on poker.
Same goes for psychology.
Study what you're interested in and/or good at, hell, this may be math and psych anyway That way you can enjoy school, and enjoy life outside it as well. Best of both worlds. And if you ever (for whatever reason!) decide poker isn't for you, then you won't be angry that you wasted years studying something for reasons that no longer apply.

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

and its not a coin flip its a chess match i tell the parents lol.

it's a combination of skill and luck, so it's probably a bad idea to compare it to chess. How about music. A lot of people play. A few take it seriously and try hard. Some of these figure out how to earn enough $$ to live on music (teaching/gigging/sound work/etc). A very few make it big-time.

re your conclusions
1) im going get a part time job - sounds perfect!

2) take 1 or 2 classes of math etc. - sounds maybe ok

3) play bigger events on stars - sounds like a bad idea. If MTTs are your dream then start grinding the $2 then $5-180 mans and build your bankroll to the level where the bigger tournaments make sense. Read Soupie's thread in the MTT digest http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ker-t3027.html. Read everything in the MTT forum. Then go to http://chardrian.blogspot.com/ or http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ll-t59440.html and see how hard it is to consistently make decent $$ as an MTT player without huge discipline, skill, and hard work.

4) not cash out one cent till i make 3-5 thousand a month
Once you make your first $5k, cash out $2.5k. Rinse and repeat. If nothing else, it feels good!

5) i kinda need a person i can go over hands with and share ideas..
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...actics-f9.html

best of luck. And realise that posts that are short and may sound nasty at first read are often gems of advice. Take a breath, think about it, and chill

peace-out

poker is different from music because in poker the mentally stable make it, while in music the mentally unstable do

Originally Posted by iopq

poker is different from music because in poker the mentally stable make it, while in music the mentally unstable do

Yeah but girls sleep with you when you make it in music!

duvall... punctuation... srzly. I'm not reading any of that, but from what I gather from everyone else, you want to go pro with a $20 roll.

This is not going to happen.

What you should do is, you deposit 1k, and then play me HU4rollz.
Should be EZ cuz I has hooch orio twisting tell.
PM for details.

wow i didn't think this post was gonna flame up ! i must of pissed off some good players lol... but all is taken in... thanks guys peace

Originally Posted by iopq

poker is different from music because in poker the mentally stable make it, while in music the mentally unstable do

Poker is different from music because poker is easy and music is not.

Originally Posted by ryokan

Originally Posted by iopq

poker is different from music because in poker the mentally stable make it, while in music the mentally unstable do

Yeah but girls sleep with you when you make it in music!

[ ] has made it in poker

@OP: wtf dude.

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

wow i didn't think this post was gonna flame up ! i must of pissed off some good players lol... but all is taken in... thanks guys peace

it's not like they're pissed off
they're just going "lol, another person is going to go busto"

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

wow i didn't think this post was gonna flame up ! i must of pissed off some good players lol... but all is taken in... thanks guys peace

Are you joking? Nothing was taken in man.

"You probably don't want to go about playing poker that way..."

"Screw you guys, I'm going to do what I want. No matter the fact that I have a child & an unemployed. I want to play poker for a living starting with my measly $20 BR & I'm going to make it!"

"Yeah, we understand, you're going to make it. We're just saying that maybe you should focus on more pressing life iss-..."

"No way man. No way. My parents have plenty of money & they don't mind supporting both myself & my responsibilities. I know what I'm doing. I have more wisdom than all of you combined & therefore know that this plan is absolutely no-fail."

"Well...okay then I guess...you should probably start by playing 2NL..."

"2NL?!!? NO WAY! I HATE 2NL! THAT IS BELOW ME! FREAKIN' DONKS ALWAYS CALLING WITH BULLSHIT IN 2NL!!"



And that is where we're at. Nice little conversation version for the cliffnotes. The absurdity of everything presented here is just beyond me at this point. Either take the advice people are giving you or don't, but don't lie to yourself & say you are when you obviously aren't.

Originally Posted by iopq

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

wow i didn't think this post was gonna flame up ! i must of pissed off some good players lol... but all is taken in... thanks guys peace

it's not like they're pissed off
they're just going "lol, another person is going to stay busto"

Imo

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

again people its not about the job or my income status. its where should i take poker from here or where it takes me.. its not i repeat its not about a minimum wage job or my income at this time im happy with my savings account and where i am in life. more tips in poker not life please...

you act like we haven't given you any poker tips

so last week i was 200bb's deep and some other dude who was 200bb's deep PFR'ed and i called w TT. i flopped top set on a two-tone board and me and the 200bb dude and some other 70bb donk ended up going all in to make a 4.7 BI pot!!!!!

long story short, i lost that pot on a suckout and this thread tilts me like 10 x's as much as that hand does

How can this thread possibly tilt you? This thread has all the elements of a great musical; Comedy, Drama, Tragedy, Action, and maybe it even ends with some Love?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKHDpT26FGk

Originally Posted by JKDS

Originally Posted by ryokan

Originally Posted by iopq

poker is different from music because in poker the mentally stable make it, while in music the mentally unstable do

Yeah but girls sleep with you when you make it in music!

[ ] has made it in poker

Are you implying that my mighty $200 roll is not making it???! how very dare you!

lol ok my bankroll is at like 50 bucs ok i dont mind 2$ nl at 2 cent 5 cents. im still up over 1000 dollars in poker as we speak . the only reason my roll os low is because i pulled out to pay a car note twice ok im going to stop playing poker and go get an application at mcdonalds u guys happy now lol nnnnnnnoooooooootttttt! heres my list of things to do after this crazy post

1. part time job
2. 2 classes of school a semester i( already have 26 college credits)
3. read up on all the information on this forum and the tips (thanks guys)
4. will never withdrawal another cent till my roll is 5k
5. bankroll management will be $2nl at 2/5 cent and 1-3 dollar mtt's

thats it i guess

i was just saying the parents have money so it doesn't seam like i rather play poker then feed my kid.......

Just saying this again since it doesn't seem that you saw it the first time: 2nl is not $0.02/0.05, it's $0.01/0.02 which is what you need to be playing.

I feel you now.

I am kind of in the same situation where I dont need money. The disregard for money will probably make you a very powerful poker player.

It is important that your kids can look up to you, so if you are going to play poker for a living you should strive for greatness and spread the riches you accumalute for the greatest utility of mankind.

come on spoon and i know ur good at poker people already told me about you mr popular. any way i grinded up to 40$ LAST NIGHT so how much bI's do i need for .02/.05 cent full ring games . when im mtt ing alot my bank roll would go up when i moved to cash games it started to fall so i knew i had a leak and began playing more cash tables.... now it seams like it will take forever and a half to get to 100 bucs should i quit cash games and continue multi-tabling mtt's?

The fact that you have heard nothing that anyone has said and that you refuse to be responsible for your actions has me recommending that people just ignore you and move on to others that will make use of the time people spend trying to help. You fail to take responsibility for your actions(kid) and expect yours and her parents to foot the bill is immature and a little on the douche side. Grow up, and do your part. Learn poker on your spare time and be with your girlfriend and kid. Get a fucking job, pay some bills and stop dreaming. You will never be what you want to be in 6 months so stop thinking you are the exception to the rule because you got a little lucky gambling. You know fuck all and I for one will not help with your degeneracy and causing your extended family anymore grief.

Evidence of the fact:
You can't spell
You have no grammar skills
you have no feeling of responsibility
You have no idea what a condom is for
You disrespect your child and parents


I guarantee by your posts and attitude, you will become exactly what everyone in your life has probably said already, just a nobody and a dreamer.

I rarely, if ever, get pms.

jyms wrote.

Evidence of the fact:
You can't spell
You have no grammar skills
you have no feeling of responsibility
You have no idea what a condom is for
You disrespect your child and parents ...






ok on this you dont know me man chill out. i dont need to spell this isn't a English forum i have been on my own for 4 years now and been paying car note insurance rent buy food take the fam to the beach all that stuff, i live on the big island of hawaii for 24 years i love two surf and do alot of outdoors stuff....... and golf people please dont hate on other people to make you feel better lol ... i got a pretty dam lucky life so far including my son who is the greatest thing that happened to me! dont diss on my life man i didn't dis yours did I? my fam loves me for me not who i can become and support me in whatever i do. we are all happy here. this wasn't a judge my life form it was where to go with poker.

I get it. You just read a lot of Faulkner.


*waits for joke to bomb*

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

jyms wrote.

Evidence of the fact:
You can't spell
You have no grammar skills
you have no feeling of responsibility
You have no idea what a condom is for
You disrespect your child and parents ...






ok on this you dont know me man chill out. i dont need to spell this isn't a English forum i have been on my own for 4 years now and been paying car note insurance rent buy food take the fam to the beach all that stuff, i live on the big island of hawaii for 24 years i love two surf and do alot of outdoors stuff....... and golf people please dont hate on other people to make you feel better lol ... i got a pretty dam lucky life so far including my son who is the greatest thing that happened to me! dont diss on my life man i didn't dis yours did I? my fam loves me for me not who i can become and support me in whatever i do. we are all happy here. this wasn't a judge my life form it was where to go with poker.

This could possibly be the worst typed sentence in the history of FTR. Good luck with life, enjoy the sun. Glad to hear about it. Since everything is so easily handed to you, maybe poker will be too. I for one don't think you have the work ethic,nor the discipline. Good luck.

i know i suc at grammar spelling etc..... but who cares thats y i play poker surf and golf and play music. poker poker poker poker poker poker all i can think about i cant even sleep with out hands running through my head. its crazy its true the ambition is out of control..... really dont know where it came from. but its strong really really strong... scary strong instead of becoming g an addict to the sport i want to change it into a life of passion towards the game. its really crazy.. ass for now im only going to play mtt tourneys untill further notice i have more skill in push shove poker. the stats tell me this so no more cash games untill the roll hits like 2 or 3 hundred. youll c me on stars under mr.duvall25 playing 4-5 mtt's at a time come say hi and tell me how crazy this forum got lol poker poker poker poker some one play me heads up or low stakes short hand cash to c how bad i really am lol c u there shoots boys lets play some poker. ill be known as the guy who blew up the forum first try lol. stay tuned for more of this drama and my fuckkkin crazy beginner status in poker.......i need a poker buddy that plays as much as i do lets have fun and turn me into the pro that i will be one day my name is chase i need a nick name out of that. for the wsop next year i will be there i will be there i will... no stopping me! dont degrade me for having so much ambition towards the game we all love help me get through the donk stages so i can prosper for my friends and family thanks boys leave more comments and blow this thing out of the water yaaaahhhhhhhhhh peace

Duvall,

I know what you are looking for, and understand where you are coming from. Let's address a few things, and then we can move to helping you with the things you would like.

1. You are in a forum where most people are EXTREMELY helpful. Most who respond are doing you a courtesy whether you agree or disagree with the information they are providing you. Out of respect for that courtesy, and as a genuine sign of showing that you want advice and appreciate it when it's offered, please make some attempt at making your posts legible.

It is not uncommon for people to not know the difference between your and you're, or there their and they're in todays society so those mistakes can be forgiven. You on the other hand put together a post that is akin to a bunch of scribbling on paper that few wish to decipher, and then criticize others for pointing this out to you. You may not be the best at grammer, but at least make the attempt.

2. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do this for a living as I'm sure many of us would like to do. Since I made my first deposit I have gone through rough times and have yet to get my bankroll to $2k before needing to make a withdraw due to my own personal financial situation. This has happened as recently as 2 weeks ago, and my bankroll after withdrawing actually fell to $2 due to me not following bankroll management rules along with standard variance. I have been forced to grind all over again, and am thankfully back to over $100.

You DID mention though that you have had to make withdraws constantly to support you and your family. You state that both sides of the family are well off and you'll be fine, while correcting yourself with the other statement. If you are indeed fine, and have your families support then feel free to let them support you while you seek this career. If I did not need the money I would rather make $1 an hour at poker than $8 an hour at McDonalds.

If on the other hand you DO need this money as you have stated then take everyones advice and get a job first. I have often looked at poker as my part time job, even though I would love for it to be the full time job.

3. Follow the best advice you've been given so far. You are asking "How do I become a Pro and do this for a living?' You do this with a bankroll. How you get that bankroll is up to you. If it's as you say that your family will pay your bills, then you can become Pro by grinding your way up. Read about how Chris Ferguson turned ZERO dollars into more than $10k JUST by following bankroll management rules very strictly. If you would like it to happen quicker, then get a job strictly to invest into your account. At the levels you are playing you WILL make money faster with a job. To make $1k per week in poker you need to be playing at levels high enough to bring that in after variance. At the stakes you have now it's going to be quite some time before you get there. If you're OK with that then great! You're on your way to becoming a Pro. If you want it faster then you need to get money in your account, and it is up to you how that happens.

This is a formal invitation for you to come into the IRC, here's a link to the sticky about it:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...08-t67665.html

There are about 20-30 people in there talking about poker and related topics 24/7.

FWIW, Chris Ferguson turned $0 into $10K long after he was a pro and was also on several payrolls while doing this challenge. It was not because he was busto, it was a stunt, by a pro, to promote online poker. He did not go from $0 to hero. Have a look around and see how many people have done exactly what this OP has done in the time frame he feels it can be done. If you plan to learn poker and grow the roll to a living breathing income, join the other 50 or 60 guys with Blogs attempting to do that very thing on this site.

So jyms you think he's on his way to fame and fortune I take it!

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

come on spoon and i know ur good at poker people already told me about you

Btw I completely deny this. The only thing I can say I'm good at is explaining math.

Originally Posted by chardrian

I rarely, if ever, get pms.

i sent you one, like a week after your WSOP final table run...guess iz be easily forgotten

anyway, i'm glad that you've gotten some useful tips from this based on your last post on the 4 points or whatever, but you have to understand that you need to f'ing play 2NL (1 cent 2 cent blinds) and build your $50 bankroll slowly!!! wah it's gonna take a while. haven't you wondered why all of us people with 300-1000 posts are still at 10NL or 25NL (have seen some that aren't even that far yet) just happy if we make minimum wage this month playing poker?!?

if poker were easy, then there would be a lot more great poker players out there, and then poker would be a lot harder 'cause we'd be grinding against great players all day. but it's not...it's hard. it takes forever to be competent at it (much less decent much less good at), and that's why everyone at the tables are feeesh and that's why poker's so easy. DUCY?

Originally Posted by surviva316

Originally Posted by chardrian

I rarely, if ever, get pms.

i sent you one, like a week after your WSOP final table run...guess iz be easily forgotten

you sent him p.m.s.?????

If surviva has that kind of power to send p.m.s to people.. I have a request...

PLEASE STOP SENDING IT TO MY G/F!!!