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    Default When the pot is big...

    Folding -- even with a Really Weak Hand -- can be a mistake. Most of you have absorbed this, but do you take it all the way?

    PokerStars Game #5600074660: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/07/18 - 14:01:11 (ET)
    Table 'Delphinus II' 10-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Selem ($10.55 in chips)
    Seat 2: santatraz ($7 in chips)
    Seat 4: risko2 ($28.45 in chips)
    Seat 5: NuWere ($20 in chips)
    Seat 6: don.net ($3.50 in chips)
    Seat 7: MarcoMendoza ($1.30 in chips)
    Seat 8: sammvp2 ($15.40 in chips)
    Seat 9: Muttley36 ($12.70 in chips)
    Seat 10: Fjodor_M ($13.15 in chips)
    sammvp2: posts small blind $0.10
    Muttley36: posts big blind $0.25
    TimTolle: sits out
    NuWere: posts big blind $0.25
    don.net: posts small & big blinds $0.35
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to NuWere [Ks 8d]
    Fjodor_M: folds
    Selem: calls $0.25
    santatraz: calls $0.25
    risko2: folds
    NuWere: checks
    don.net: raises $0.25 to $0.50
    MarcoMendoza: folds
    sammvp2: calls $0.40
    Muttley36: folds
    Selem: calls $0.25
    santatraz: calls $0.25
    NuWere: calls $0.25
    *** FLOP *** [8s Jd 2s]
    sammvp2: checks
    Selem: bets $0.25
    santatraz: calls $0.25
    NuWere: calls $0.25
    don.net: calls $0.25
    sammvp2: folds
    *** TURN *** [8s Jd 2s] [Qh]
    Selem: checks
    santatraz: checks
    NuWere: checks
    don.net: bets $0.50
    Selem: folds
    santatraz: calls $0.50
    NuWere: calls $0.50 Note: this is okay if last-to-act, right?
    *** RIVER *** [8s Jd 2s Qh] [Jc]
    santatraz: checks
    NuWere: checks
    don.net: bets $0.50
    santatraz: calls $0.50
    NuWere: folds
    don.net said, "full"
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    don.net: shows [Kc Ac] (a pair of Jacks)
    santatraz: shows [6h 8h] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
    santatraz collected $6.05 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $6.35 | Rake $0.30
    Board [8s Jd 2s Qh Jc]
    Seat 1: Selem folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: santatraz showed [6h 8h] and won ($6.05) with two pair, Jacks and Eights
    Seat 4: risko2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: NuWere folded on the River
    Seat 6: don.net showed [Kc Ac] and lost with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 7: MarcoMendoza (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: sammvp2 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: Muttley36 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 10: Fjodor_M folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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    NuWere: calls $0.50 Note: this is okay if last-to-act, right?
    Raises for info anyone?

    You have 5 outs and 1 of them is tainted. You're getting 8.7 to 1 on a roughly 11.5 to 1 call. So, unless you think you can catch your outter and drag a lot of $$ from either of them, you are making a -EV play.
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    raise for info?

    You'll only be raising as a pure bluff. I wouldnt ever expect to showdown as a winner, especially if i raise and it gets called.
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    Fold preflop, you don't want to be in a multiway hand with those cards, even if you hit your king you don't know where you are and l either win a small pot or lose abig one (despite of the minraise i would have considered calling with a suited king in late position, for flush value.
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