In this situation I am trying to punish the limper. Everyone limps in this game and it is ridiculous. After I started raising and showing down with quality hands one of the guys even said, "Thats it for me no more limping." The point I am trying to get to: how does the effective raise size effect how often you steal the blinds. Since stealing the blinds with one limper is confusing a lot of people forget that. Lets say it is folded to you and the effective raise is 7xbb. Are you risking 7bb with moderate hands to win 1.5bb as often as you would be risking 4bb?