I know my main goal is to get them pot committed, slowly,so by the river if I'm still sure my odds are good, I'll try to push them in, I mean if I can get them to commit half to two thirds of their stacks they generally push allin or fold, which is good for me, playing this way is generally a slow grind and gets me to the final table sometimes, but then I'm usually in the middle to lower end of the stacks at the table, but if I get lucky get and hit some good cards, I've actually won some mtt's, but I've noticed if I'm playing good at mtt's, I play really bad at ring games and vice a versa,if I'm playing good at ring games,so I try to stick with one at a time, not the same animal I've learned, haven't figured out why just seems to happen to me, funny this game seems once you learn something and you get comfortable with it and your winning, you realize there's more to learn!you just start seeing more and more of the game, but when you try to do it you screw it all up lol