What's the best line here.....?

Opp is 17/12 over a decent enough sample. No specific reads. Having called pre for set value I've got an overpair so what's the best line to take?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($66.70)
CO ($23.35)
Button ($43.50)
Hero (SB) ($15.30)
BB ($4.55)
UTG ($4.75)
UTG+1 ($25.35)
MP1 ($29.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1.90, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 3, 7, 5 (2 players)
Hero?

explain how you called PF for set value please

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

explain how you called PF for set value please

Damn you! Not enough in my stack right?

Ok, so I've called like an idiot. Now what?

I c/c flop and some turns.

probably c/f the flop if you set-mined and missed

however I might bet/fold or c/r or c/c and shove turn or c/c and c/f turn or c/c and c/c a shove on the turn. The options are endless.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

probably c/f the flop if you set-mined and missed

however I might bet/fold or c/r or c/c and shove turn or c/c and c/f turn or c/c and c/c a shove on the turn. The options are endless.

ok, so I bet out got re-raised and folded. Reviewed this afterwards and thought the check/call might gave been a better option. Not terrible though?

so you set-mined and lost 1/3rd of your stack w/o seeing a showdown. Next time make sure you factor that into your set-mining odds.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

so you set-mined and lost 1/3rd of your stack w/o seeing a showdown. Next time make sure you factor that into your set-mining odds.

nice

check fold...

set odds is pretty bad here.
why are we not on full stack?

c/c or b/f will be good.

Originally Posted by kevster

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

explain how you called PF for set value please

Damn you! Not enough in my stack right?

Ok, so I've called like an idiot. Now what?

Am curious the odds of flopping a set are somewhere in the 7.ish-1 so basically 8-1. Yes in Harrington on cash he goes for somewhere in the 20-1 ratio in stacks. Am thinking this is a built in buffer for all the times his opponents fold to a b/f on the turn when he raises? Is this why? My question here is what implied odds does everyone look for when set mining. Maybe I am just unlucky but it seems like forever since someone would stack off to me with top top or an overpair when I hit a set. As the game has changed has your set mining odds changed at all? If not what are you still looking for?

Fold preflop. Your stack is to small to gain enough information on later streets and you are beating no pairs. (Sensible opponent)

table selection infamous!!! i see you multi tabling a lot of the times on tons of tables and a lot of them are nit tables... you gotta select tables with super donks!!.. i have a few dime dispensers that i look for and follow around (i hope to get some quarter dispensers soon)

are people serious about c/f? what is wrong with everyone? i think given stack sizes c/r is the best play...

are we check/shoving here?.. i don't see any other hand that would call except hands that have us beat... only thing we have beat in villains range is AK

check/call most check shove if he has to call off his draws.

Btw, if I may comment on Spenda's comment. I think what Spenda is trying to do here is berate sloppy thought processes and people parrotting concepts talked about by other people without understanding how, why and when they apply.

OP in this post could have said that the combination of set odds and the ability to play this hand profitably to a showdown unimproved in some situations makes it overall profitable to call preflop - this would then have triggered a different discussion. Specifically, I think we would then be talking if we should be 3betting 99 OOP PF.

In the present situation the line I prefer is to check/shove. We have an overpair, villain will cbet often with air (lots of FE) and call a shove often with draws (with good equity on calling range) and the SPR is slightly less than 3.

The stack size we play results in an SPR that makes it a trivial stack-off decision, and that should be one of the main reasons we play this stack size. If we mistakenly think that we're playing for set odds here, then there's a huge gap in our basic strategy. If we don't understand exactly why our stack size makes this a trivial decision we also shouldn't be playing this stack size.

First off, he's raising from the button... so his range is possibly pretty wide (ATS would be helpful here). If he's stealing 30% of the time, only like 2% of his range will stack off here, and if he's even a better tagg, he may not stack off at all... so this is another reason to get away from set odds... The other issue is stack size, and other people have covered that pretty well. I think a c/c and shove turn or c/rai flop is the best.

Sorry, his squeezing range could be pretty wide... raise limpers from BU or ATS is still helpful.

Originally Posted by inƒamous

Originally Posted by kevster

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

explain how you called PF for set value please

Damn you! Not enough in my stack right?

Ok, so I've called like an idiot. Now what?

Am curious the odds of flopping a set are somewhere in the 7.ish-1 so basically 8-1. Yes in Harrington on cash he goes for somewhere in the 20-1 ratio in stacks. Am thinking this is a built in buffer for all the times his opponents fold to a b/f on the turn when he raises? Is this why? My question here is what implied odds does everyone look for when set mining. Maybe I am just unlucky but it seems like forever since someone would stack off to me with top top or an overpair when I hit a set. As the game has changed has your set mining odds changed at all? If not what are you still looking for?

We had this chat at the table we were playing at. When I said you didn't get odds to call your set. I was calculating needing to get about 10x the bet you called. By giving yourself a little bit of a buffer, you can handle being setoversetted and whatnot.

In the "learning starts here" section there's a really good post about setmining.