you two might think ur good, but no amount of skill can make you a winning player playin like a fish. when u start re raising with garbage can not possibly ever be +EV in a full ring when the original raiser is doing it from early position. You two noobs make me laugh pretty hard. When I'm done with finals I will come back to this place and give you two some more lessons on how to play this game. Thanks for the laugh tho miffed and renton.