what is tilt - thanks irc

<daven> http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6138/julygraphn.jpg
<takesix> omfg
<daven> isn't it pretty
<daven> 21 buyins behind vs ev on allin spots
<daven> meant i had to spend way too long at 50nl
<takesix> i know you were running 14 BI under
<daven> but meant i am now 100x better at poker
<takesix> but you shouldnt ever be even at 50nl fter 65k hands
<daven> exactly, i was tilting and playing like shit
<kfused> that looks like my graph at 200nl
<daven> i now now that 20bi behind ev over 100k hands is whatever so you should still be

up 80buyins
<daven> so quit whining and learn poker cos you obviously suck
<daven> i'd say 20bi behind due to tilt in addition to the 20 from badbeats
<daven> in that first 50k
<kfused> well that makes sense
<daven> it shouldn't
<daven> so i now have tilt-control - was a cheap lesson
<kfused> even if you are runnning like shit you shouldnt be losing at 50nl?
<daven> nope, you should beat it at 5ptBB/100
<takesix> lol you dont have tilt control
<daven> so you can run 1buyin bad per 1k hands and still be breakeven
<daven> no, i don't have tilt control - true
<daven> I have slightly better quitting ability~
<takesix> i like to think i have excellent tilt control
<daven> and that's almost as good
<takesix> and i still lost my shit last night
<iopq> don't kid yourself
<daven> are you spoon in disguise?
<iopq> the underlying problem with tilt
<iopq> doesn't go away
<iopq> when you quit
<daven> is knowing what tilt is
<daven> = any deviation from a-game
<daven> and 'am i playing a-game?
<kfused> iopq why does any word i ever seen u type sound worthless
<daven> is easy to answer
<takesix> bc you're worthless
<takesix> *hugs*
<iopq> kfused: because you have a mental image of me
<iopq> and prejudge whatever I say
<daven> so i don't need tilt as a concept anymore
<daven> only a-game
<daven> and deviation from a-game
<kfused> i doubt it
<iopq> that's not true, daven
<iopq> you could be completely tilt-free
<daven> why couldn't it be?
<iopq> and still play like shit
<daven> depends on your definition of tilt
<iopq> does being sleepy
<daven> if you use 'any deviation from a-game'
<iopq> count as tilt?
<daven> ldo
<iopq> well that's not the definition
<daven> are you stupid? of course sleepy is tilt
<iopq> the definition of tilt is playing sub-par due to your emotional state
<daven> um, i side with tommy angelo on this one
<daven> that's a stupid definition
<iopq> if you take out the emotional part of tilt
<iopq> it's just not playing your a game
<iopq> why do we even need the word tilt
<daven> exactly, that's why
<iopq> if we already have "B game" and "C game"
<iopq> and "D game"
<kfused> well heres my definition
<daven> <daven> so i don't need tilt as a concept anymore
<kfused> if we're playing bad...we're on tilt...if we're not, w/e
<daven> ^
<daven> exactly
<iopq> kfused: if you're drunk are you on tilt
<kfused> thers a fine line between being sleepy and playing bad while being sleepy
<daven> depends if i'm playing a-game
<iopq> you're drunk, what do you think?!
<daven> if i play agame while drunk then how is that tilt
<iopq> how are you playing your agame
<iopq> you're drunk
<kfused> ??
<iopq> your mental capabilities are not 100%
<daven> if i play while talking on the phone and irc chatting then how is that not tilt,

regardless of emotional state
<kfused> if your playing good is it tilt?
<kfused> obv your not gonna play well when your drunk
<daven> i normally drop a stake if i'm drunk but still think I can a-game, just in case

i'm wrong
<kfused> but if you make the same plays you normally would..how is it tilt?
<iopq> kfused: how can you make the same plays you normally would if you're drunk
<kfused> some people still have a brain while being drunk
<kfused> i being one of them
<iopq> ok, what if you're fucking smashed
<iopq> and you can barely see the cards
<iopq> are you on tilt?
<kfused> isnt that self explanatory?
<daven> http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/reciprocality.htm
<kfused> your gonna play bad, of course your on tilt
<daven> read the quitting and tilt sections
<daven> ok, i can't juggle 5-balls drunk
<daven> but i can still play as well at pool
<daven> unless i'm uber-drunk
<kfused> juggling requires more fine motor skills obv ;o
<iopq> ok, but I don't think that's the widely-accepted definition of tilt
<iopq> because I think most people would consider being drunk/tired/hungry/whatever

something separate from tilt
<daven> it's the only decent definition
<kfused> well if im sleepy and playing with a clear head/playing well
<kfused> i'm not on tilt
<daven> if you go to the core of what tilt means
<daven> or the result of tilt
<daven> the other definitions are great for people who want to keep on tiltin, and i

hope they keep their
<iopq> ok, what if I define tilt as emotionally-motivated decisions
<daven> definition, and their inability to manage tilt
<kfused> just ask joeingram
<kfused> he is the master of tilt
<daven> quitting is an emotionally motivated decision
<daven> sometimes
<iopq> that's tilt
<iopq> in my book
<iopq> if you quit while playing your a game
<iopq> you're tilting
<daven> wrong
<daven> if you don't quit while playing your agame then you're tilting
<iopq> if it's emotionally motivated
<daven> ducy?
<iopq> daven quitting is an emotionally motivated decision
<kfused> quitting after a good session is tilt? wtf?
<mailman> yay a useless argument
<iopq> I quit
<daven> if you aren't playing a-game when you quit, then you've been playing a game

worse than agame
<daven> meaning you were tilting
<iopq> after a certain amount of time
<daven> qed
<iopq> not emotionally motivated
<iopq> if you quit on any emotional reason
<iopq> you're doing it wrong
<iopq> and that's another form of tilt
<daven> wow, i desire that woman who just walked past
<iopq> "I won and want to keep my winnings" tilt
<daven> i can't concentrate
<daven> imma gonna quit and take her home with me
<daven> emotionally (or libido?) motivated
<daven> not tilt
<iopq> not emotionally
<iopq> bonerally motivated decision
<kfused> what if you get a boner? is that tilt?
<iopq> that's your reptilian brain
<iopq> emotional brain is the mammalian brain
<iopq> if you quit to eat, that's also not emotionally motivated
<kfused> w/e
<kfused> i play well with boners.
<iopq> <3
<iopq> are you hitting on me
<mailman> what if ur hungry
<mailman> and u quit
<mailman> is that tilt?
<iopq> that's reptillian brain
<mailman> idk anything about reptiles
<mailman> is that tilt?
<iopq> reptiles eat, sleep and fuck
<mailman> so is that tilt?
<iopq> and also fight with each other
<iopq> so aggression and basic needs are hard-wired in your reptilian brain
<kfused> hows it tilt
<mailman> idk
<kfused> being hungry is not gonna make u spew off 4 stacks
<iopq> emotion is hard-wired in your mammalian brain
<mailman> cause i was playing A game
<mailman> got hungry
<mailman> and quit
<iopq> and your neo-cortex is the human part
<iopq> *neo-frontal cortex
<mailman> wow
<kfused> LOL

lol at like 90% of that conversation...yet somehow i actually feel like i learned something

<kfused> what if you get a boner? is that tilt?

WTF LMAO

WHAT IS TILT
BABY DON'T HURT ME

I also prefer Tommy Angelo's definition of tilt.

I <3 Tommy Angelo's views on tilt.

This thread looks like another invitation to come to the IRC. Not like the ones spoon always makes, because you will get better; but because it is too much fun reading shit like this.

Nice discussion BTW.