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    Default What PO overlays to use and why?

    Hey everyone. I'm new here so all your input is very welcome :)

    Can someone help me with Poker Office's table overlays? I have played about 5k hands now, but I can't settle or find meaningful overlays. Currently I have tried to use the 1st row for preflop and the 2nd for postflop:

    1st row:
    # of hands - to see how accurate is his icon;
    VPIP% - this indicates to me how loose he is and how more easily he will call my PFR;
    PFR% - shows to me that someone with low % that raise = strong hand (then i fold more easily preflop).
    AF(PreF) - dont have a clue why i have this, but i guess i use it for the same reason as PFR%.

    2nd row:
    Raise on flop% - if he has a high % and bets, i take his hand not as threatening;
    Won when saw flop% - I think i must change this to won when saw turn/river, coz i want to see if he continues to play how strong his hand normally is;
    SDs won% - not sure what this is suppose to mean, i just read on the other thread about PO overlays that many players use it. (if his % is low, but bet big on river, then what?) I also noticed that many have SD%. Can anyone tell me why they use it, and how, and if it really is a good indicator?
    AF(postF) - not sure if this is helpful. coz agg players always bet and then i wonder if he has a strong hand or not, but there is no way for me to know, I have to assume so... :(

    I know on the other thread someone said PFR% and VPIP% is a duplicate and only VPIP can be used, but I think PFR% is also necessary coz many loose players only limp in to see the flop giving them a high VPIP% and still a low PFR%. So seeing a person with high VPIP% with low PFR% that raised, i know he has a strong(er) hand even if he plays loose. Am I on the right track here?

    So, anyone else wanna tell me what is good indicators to use? I find I rarely use mine currently. Maybe I don't understand fully the meaning of 'em. I base most decisions (many of them the wrong ones) on his icon, so I would like to use indicators more...

    PS play ring NL mostly.
    "Poker is a game of people... It's not the hand I hold, it's the people that I play with." ~ Amarillo Slim
  2. #2
    First off I want to say welcome to the boards. I have just recently joined here too and everyone seems very helpful.

    I am pretty much in the same boat as you are. The stats are so in-depth that I do not understand half of them. I usually solely look at vpip, pf raise % and AF. I will also look at their check/raise %.

    Hopefully someone will be able to explain further some of the other stats.
  3. #3
    @thizzSantaCruz

    What do you make of AF? If it's low does it mean your going to bet into someone?

    And what do you use check/raise% for? Would it make you rather check if his % is high?
    "Poker is a game of people... It's not the hand I hold, it's the people that I play with." ~ Amarillo Slim
  4. #4
    Welcome to the boards Tjorriemorrie!

    I’ll try to answer some of your questions. Firstly, you seem to have a pretty good setup, I think you should add Continuation bet% to the postflop row though.

    VPIP – you seem to have a good grasp on what that tells you.
    PFR% - same here, you seem to understand what it is.
    AF (preF) – this can give you an indication on how frequently someone re-raises.
    AF (postF) – if a player with a very low AF bets or raises you have to assume he’s got a pretty good hand. If a player with a high AF bets or raises he doesn’t necessarily have a very good hand, if there’s a possible straight or flush draw it’s pretty likely he could have one of those.

    I don’t use SD’s won% or Won when saw flop% very much. I prefer FlopTurn% and TurnRiver% which gives a good indication on how often a player will call you on different streets. Lets say you’re up against a guy with a very high SD’s won%, if he’s been calling you all the way ‘til the river it’s pretty likely he’s got a pretty good hand, especially if there are no possible draws out.

    PFR% and VPIP is not a duplicate, you’re probably thinking about VPIP and Saw flop%

    I hope that helped you a little bit.
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    @flotu

    Yeah, your right about the SF%, my bad

    Lets say you’re up against a guy with a very low SD’s won%, if he’s been calling you all the way ‘til the river it’s pretty likely he’s got a pretty good hand, especially if there are no possible draws out.
    - this sounds contradicting to me...can you explain it more? or did you mean # of SD%?
    "Poker is a game of people... It's not the hand I hold, it's the people that I play with." ~ Amarillo Slim
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Tjorriemorrie
    @flotu

    Yeah, your right about the SF%, my bad

    Lets say you’re up against a guy with a very low SD’s won%, if he’s been calling you all the way ‘til the river it’s pretty likely he’s got a pretty good hand, especially if there are no possible draws out.
    - this sounds contradicting to me...can you explain it more? or did you mean # of SD%?
    Sorry, I meant "high" and not "low". I'll edit my post.
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    http://www.andymcnish.btinternet.co.uk/newauto.htm

    This will help. It's for poker tracker stats but the players stats still apply. It explains the difference in types of players, and what the stats mean. You may be able to change your stats rules to match these, I'm not sure if it's possible or not in PO but it would be better if you could.
  8. #8
    Thanks! That was a great help! I immediately changed my icons!
    "Poker is a game of people... It's not the hand I hold, it's the people that I play with." ~ Amarillo Slim
  9. #9
    Oh, here's a link to some 6-max rules for Poker Office; http://www.pokq.com/forum/viewtopic....441&highlight=

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