Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
Thanks for posting and providing your in-depth thoughts.

The first thing that struck me here is that there's a mix of messages. If you're confident that seat 3 only open raises premium hands and seat 5 only re-raises with AA, then you should either be folding pre-flop or on the flop. You would need to be very confident in your reads though to do this i.e. how do you know villains don't take this line with QQ?

As played, turn call is marginal despite pot odds IF your AA read is good. If villain does hold AA then he has the ace of clubs half of those times (3 combos from 6) and you're still going to pay off often when you river a flush.

River is a clear bet once checked to. Villain is telling you he doesn't have the ace of clubs, but you won't find many players that won't crying call the river in live play versus a small bet of say 40-50. Ripping it in could be better though, depending on reads.


This is wear I need these replies,

I noticed that seat 5 is afraid of playing QQ and JJ because he shipped all in twice and showed these hands and when showing JJ he mentioned he hates playing them great information for me

I felt my KK too strong to fold but also knew I wasn't folding out AA

And then of course when it came to me last to act I was not confident enough to put in a bet because of the thoughts of the Ac, after the hand I kept telling myself after playing it out in this way I believed I needed to put in a bet.
I also believe that this is an extremely rare situation because I am re-raising KK 99.9% of the time, I have trapped once that I can remember with KK.

I like how you fraized "crying call" this is what clicked with me for this moment because I have been victim to this myself, (maybe this fits into the fold option on the flop you mentioned also). and makes sense to me of the perfect value bet on the river. You are also right that if he has Ac it is definitely not the spot to check that hand to me wanting me to now bet into his trap.

Sorry on seat 3 I meant that if I raise then he is only pushing with AA when it comes back to him so this was my thought pre flop, so a side thought before my just call and was not afraid of this player.