What does TAG look like in Poker Tracker

I'm playing NL10. I'm trying to find situations and reads to be more aggressive and wondering what it will look like in the stats.

Current (aprox):
Hands =2600
BB/100 = 20
VP$IP = 25
PF Raise = 6
Agg Factor Flop = 1.36
Agg Factor Turn = 1.29
River = .96

Poker Tracker says I'm Tight-Aggressive / Passive. What's a good line?

Originally Posted by vegascoop

What's a good line?

Winning money. Cash money fo life.

Are you winning money?

I picked up poker tracker in early December after reading these forums. Net $57 December. Up $77 so far this month. Thinking of moving up to NL25 soon but a little more experience at NL10 probably wouldn't hurt.

Would appreciate any thoughts on the differences between 10 and 25 NL?

Originally Posted by vegascoop

Would appreciate any thoughts on the differences between 10 and 25 NL?

About $15

^ good answer.

I'm Tight-Aggressive / Passive. What's a good line?

If you can make people bet for you and make you money, then your line is good. But if the table is passive, and you are passive, then you lose out on money. If you are adjusting to tables and making money, then good line.

Move up ASAP. 10 buy-ins is fine.

Originally Posted by vegascoop

I picked up poker tracker in early December after reading these forums. Net $57 December. Up $77 so far this month. Thinking of moving up to NL25 soon but a little more experience at NL10 probably wouldn't hurt.

Would appreciate any thoughts on the differences between 10 and 25 NL?

Hi

i deposited to poker one day ago, deposited only 70 $, not that much, ive only played playmoney for a few months, read a few books, i know playmoney gives so lil exp, but..
after about 5 hours of playing on the 0.25 and 0.50 and also like a few hands on the 0.50 / 1 i was up to a total of 242.15 $ in about 6hours.

I think the competition si fairly easy, cause i usually read my opponent right, not just saying this , its true, sometimes i dont read them right to.

The only losses i got was like the blinds, some little 5 $ a couple of times and once a 15 $, and the last summary u see was the biggest i lost.

my name is back2fish there

Heres some good pots i took down yesterday..

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12 | Rake $0.55
Board [4c Tc Kd 6s 7s]
Seat 3: detroitTIMMY (small blind) showed [8s Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: back2fish (big blind) showed [Kh Jc] and won ($11.45) with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: Saleem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sheldon4 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12 | Rake $0.55
Board [Qd 8c 6d]
Seat 2: #1AUTIGERS#1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: JFoxxy2442 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Yeek folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Gus73 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: back2fish (button) collected ($11.45)
Seat 9: LordRavenAk (small blind) folded on the Flop


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $41 | Rake $2
Board [Ah 5h 6h 7s Ks]
Seat 1: hawk1368 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: wowsaveit folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: PFS Cheese (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: back2fish (small blind) showed [Kh 4h] and won ($39) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: mmkaw650 (big blind) mucked [Th Qh]
Seat 6: BELL765 folded on the River


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13 | Rake $0.60
Board [9s 3s Qh 4d]
Seat 1: hawk1368 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: wowsaveit (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: PFS Cheese folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: back2fish collected ($12.40)
Seat 5: AzNZiGZAG folded on the Turn
Seat 6: BELL765 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)¨


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21 | Rake $1
Board [2h 3c Ts 5d Ac]
Seat 1: hawk1368 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: wowsaveit (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: PFS Cheese (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: back2fish (big blind) collected ($20)
Seat 5: AzNZiGZAG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BELL765 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10 | Rake $0.50
Board [2h 3d Jh]
Seat 5: iamflushed (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: back2fish (button) (big blind) collected ($9.50)

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7 | Rake $0.30
Board [6s 4s 8c Jd Th]
Seat 1: Dacak89 (small blind) showed [3c 7s] and lost with high card Jack
Seat 4: katiangel23 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: back2fish (button) showed [As 5s] and won ($6.70) with high card Ace


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9 | Rake $0.40
Board [4s 4c Jd 7s 5s]
Seat 1: MegaShoulder folded on the River
Seat 3: Becca62384 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: back2fish (small blind) collected ($8.60)
Seat 5: Danny7711 (big blind) folded on the Turn


THIS ONE BELOW WAS 2/4

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40 | Rake $1.90
Board [5d Qc 3d 4d 2h]
Seat 2: back2fish collected ($38.10)
Seat 3: buttertoast (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Jugular (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: icytundra (big blind) folded on the River

BACK TO 0.25 0.50 and 0.50 and 1

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $32 | Rake $0
Seat 2: back2fish (small blind) collected ($32)
Seat 3: buttertoast (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: KiD[ReD] folded before Flop
Seat 5: icytundra (button) folded before Flop

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $38 | Rake $1.85
Board [4c 6c Kd 8d 3s]
Seat 1: milo21 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: sunkist23 folded before Flop
Seat 5: Sheleric (button) mucked [Qs Ah]
Seat 6: back2fish (small blind) showed [Ks Qc] and won ($36.15) with a pair of Kings

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $46.50 | Rake $1
Board [7s 8c Ad Kd 8s]
Seat 1: milo21 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: sunkist23 (big blind) mucked [3h 3c]
Seat 6: back2fish (button) showed [Ac Ah] and won ($45.50) with a full house, Aces full of Eights

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52 | Rake $2.50
Board [9c 3c 9h Ks]
Seat 1: milo21 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Torger (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: sunkist23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rebelstar18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Morsey Poo folded on the Flop
Seat 6: back2fish (button) collected ($49.50)


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21 | Rake $1.05
Board [8s Ad Jd]
Seat 1: milo21 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Torger (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: mariobigmac (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: back2fish collected ($19.95)

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50 | Rake $1
Board [Ks 3h 2c Ac 3s]
Seat 1: marioluigi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: xBULLETTSx (small blind) mucked [Kh As]
Seat 4: back2fish (big blind) showed [5c 4d] and won ($49) with a straight, Ace to Five

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6 | Rake $0.25
Board [2d 7c Kh Jc Kc]
Seat 1: masse10 folded on the Turn
Seat 3: xBULLETTSx (button) mucked [4d 4h]
Seat 4: back2fish (small blind) showed [9s Jh] and won ($5.75) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 5: IsraeliDF (big blind) folded on the Turn

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21 | Rake $1
Board [2d 6h As Kd 9d]
Seat 5: Atlas King (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: EZZIA (small blind) showed [2s 3s] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 7: back2fish (big blind) showed [Ah 7c] and won ($20) with a pair of Aces

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16 | Rake $0.75
Board [8d Jc 9s Qs 2h]
Seat 4: MILF1976 (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: Atlas King (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: back2fish (big blind) collected ($15.25)

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.80 | Rake $1
Board [4h 9c 9h 4d 7h]
Seat 4: MILF1976 (button) (big blind) mucked [2c 7d]
Seat 7: back2fish (small blind) showed [9s 6s] and won ($22.80) with a full house, Nines full of Fours



THIS IS WHERE I MADE A MISTAKE..

I FELT LIKE I WAS WINNING SO GOOD AT THOSE TABLES, SO I TRIED 2/4 WHICH WAS AN IDIOTICAL MISTAKE.. I LOST ALOT THERE ON A HAND WHERE I READ HIM FOR NONE OF THE PAIRS ON BOARD, BUT I WAS TIRED AND DIDNT THINK OF A POCKET PAIR.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $260.30 | Rake $2
Board [Td 3d 6s 3h 7h]
Seat 1: Mx225 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: back2fish showed [9d 9s] and lost with two pair, Nines and Threes
Seat 3: buttertoast folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: KiD[ReD] (button) showed [Ks Kh] and won ($258.30) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 5: icytundra (small blind) folded before Flop

i recon that i can earn.. on my next deposit with about 100 $.. if i dont go to 2/4 until i have like 1000 $ +

if i just stay on 0.25 / 0.50 and 0.50 / 1 that are very easy to me.. and i play about 4 - 6 hours a day id earn... hm....

guaranteed 50+ $ a day, usually more, this must be a bad beat day.

but mostly 100 $ a day...i mean i took down atleast 5 pots on 40 + yesterday and i played a total of 6 hours max.

at start im trying to play 7 days a week, 4 - 6 hours a day, cause im the kinda person who can handle that time.

so 7 days x 100 $ is 700 $.

thats an average of 700 $ / week, on a very bad day or possibly a little playing its 350 $ a week.

average each month is 2800.. less a month would be 1400 - 2800..

rate this please

Originally Posted by betneer

i recon that i can earn.. on my next deposit with about 100 $.. if i dont go to 2/4 until i have like 1000 $ +

if i just stay on 0.25 / 0.50 and 0.50 / 1 that are very easy to me.. and i play about 4 - 6 hours a day id earn... hm....

guaranteed 50+ $ a day, usually more, this must be a bad beat day.

but mostly 100 $ a day...i mean i took down atleast 5 pots on 40 + yesterday and i played a total of 6 hours max.

at start im trying to play 7 days a week, 4 - 6 hours a day, cause im the kinda person who can handle that time.

so 7 days x 100 $ is 700 $.

thats an average of 700 $ / week, on a very bad day or possibly a little playing its 350 $ a week.

average each month is 2800.. less a month would be 1400 - 2800..

rate this please

Ah... sweet innocence...

innocence is bliss

Originally Posted by betneer

...
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rate this please

Welcome to FTR betneer. It's generally better to start your own thread rather than piggybacking on someone else's. Now to business:

Required reading:

Volume 1.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=9214

Volume 2.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=4971

betneer, you played for one day, and you already think you can make $100 a day. I think you've just successfully completed the Newbie Circle of Death in 24 hours. Anyways, anyone can get lucky and have a really good session (what happened to you). Read the stickes in the beginner's section, they'll help you. Especially BR management. I've been in your situation before, I thought I was the shit cause I turned $200 into $1800 in a week, then I decided to play 5/10 and lost every penny. Currently I am bankrolled for $100NL, but I will play $200 or $400NL if I see a soft table. This is not recommended if you are new. I suggest starting from the bottom and working your way up.

I know it sounds like I'm contradicting myself when I say I'll play $200/$400NL when I'm only rolled for $100NL. But, I have a full time job. So dropping $400 in one hand won't affect my financial responsibilties. Will it suck? of course, but I won't lose any sleep over it. This is something I do very rarely. I will only do it if I find a SOFT table.

Here's an example of a SOFT table. I have position on Villian every hand except the small blind.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($311.60)
SB ($359)
BB ($493.20)
IOS ($415.40)
MP ($429.80)
CO ($464.05)

Preflop: IOS is UTG with Q, J.
IOS raises to $16, 1 fold, CO calls $16, 2 folds, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($50) Q, T, 6 (3 players)
BB checks, IOS bets $49, CO folds, BB calls $49.

Turn: ($148) K (2 players)
BB checks, IOS checks.

River: ($148) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, IOS checks.

Final Pot: $148

Results in white below:
BB has Th 2h (one pair, tens).
IOS has Qc Js (one pair, queens).
Outcome: IOS wins $148.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($160)
UTG ($312)
MP ($762.80)
IOS ($525.90)
Button ($439.80)
SB ($99.50)

Preflop: IOS is CO with 9, J.
UTG raises to $12, MP calls $12, IOS calls $12, 3 folds.

Flop: ($42) A, J, 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $4, IOS calls $4, UTG raises to $12, MP calls $8, IOS calls $8.

Turn: ($78) 9 (3 players)
UTG bets $20, MP folds, IOS calls $20.

River: ($118) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $72, IOS calls $72.

Final Pot: $262

Results in white below:
UTG has 5c Ah (one pair, aces).
IOS has 9c Jc (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: IOS wins $262.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($481)
SB ($689.90)
IOS ($660.40)
UTG ($425.80)
MP ($287.50)

Preflop: IOS is BB with Q, Q.
2 folds, Button raises to $16, SB calls $14, IOS raises to $40, Button calls $24, SB calls $24.

Flop: ($120) 5, 2, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, IOS bets $120, Button folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $240

Results in white below:
No showdown. IOS wins $240.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($441)
Button ($649.90)
IOS ($738.40)
BB ($425.80)
UTG ($287.50)

Preflop: IOS is SB with A, K.
2 folds, Button raises to $16, IOS calls $14, 1 fold.

Flop: ($36) Q, 7, T (2 players)
IOS checks, Button bets $8, IOS calls $8.

Turn: ($52) J (2 players)
IOS bets $30, Button raises to $68, IOS raises to $168, Button calls $100.

River: ($388) 5 (2 players)
IOS bets $240, Button calls $240.

Final Pot: $868

Results in white below:
Button has As Qc (one pair, queens).
IOS has Ad Kh (straight, ace high).
Outcome: IOS wins $868.

After that hand, the villian left. Seeing that the table was no longer SOFT, I left too.

sorry idiots, i know i can make 50 $ - 100 $ a day.. 1400 - 2800 a month.. are you just on such low limits that dont exist or do u loose like hell?

dam idiots, i don need poker seesions for grown ups that play nl 10 buy in.. thats like 1/4 of a good pot for me

anyway ure right yesterday was luck...

Originally Posted by betneer

sorry idiots, i know i can make 50 $ - 100 $ a day.. 1400 - 2800 a month.. are you just on such low limits that dont exist or do u loose like hell?

dam idiots, i don need poker seesions for grown ups that play nl 10 buy in.. thats like 1/4 of a good pot for me

anyway ure right yesterday was luck...

LOL--Yeah, you are right, they're all idiots. Learn the hard way then.

Originally Posted by salsa4ever

Originally Posted by betneer

i recon that i can earn.. on my next deposit with about 100 $.. if i dont go to 2/4 until i have like 1000 $ +

if i just stay on 0.25 / 0.50 and 0.50 / 1 that are very easy to me.. and i play about 4 - 6 hours a day id earn... hm....

guaranteed 50+ $ a day, usually more, this must be a bad beat day.

but mostly 100 $ a day...i mean i took down atleast 5 pots on 40 + yesterday and i played a total of 6 hours max.

at start im trying to play 7 days a week, 4 - 6 hours a day, cause im the kinda person who can handle that time.

so 7 days x 100 $ is 700 $.

thats an average of 700 $ / week, on a very bad day or possibly a little playing its 350 $ a week.

average each month is 2800.. less a month would be 1400 - 2800..

rate this please

Ah... sweet innocence...

innocence is bliss

i told you so.

Ignorance is bliss.

My favourite is this one:

Originally Posted by betneer

rate this please

He's not looking for advice; he's allowing us to lavish praise on him and bask in his radiated glory.

the first time i posted, i didn't wanna call him ignorant...

i still don't. can't tap the aquarium!

is that guy for real? he's had me in stitches

Amazing isn't it? What a shame we can't all take his money

The people here, including myself, don't take to bragging about success too well.. especially from newbies.

The best way to brag is to post stats in your signature...

thats true i just wanted to show how well i did after reading books and still got some exp from playmoney.. anyway i am for real lol, and 50 $ a day is easy to make, if u have about 70 $ or more, trust me, if u cant me 50 $ a day on 0.50 / 1 then somethings wrong... eve 100 $ can be average or even more

Originally Posted by betneer

thats true i just wanted to show how well i did after reading books and still got some exp from playmoney.. anyway i am for real lol, and 50 $ a day is easy to make, if u have about 70 $ or more, trust me, if u cant me 50 $ a day on 0.50 / 1 then somethings wrong... eve 100 $ can be average or even more

No ones saying it can't be done, this week I made $1K+ but in the first week of Jan I lost over $2K all at NL100/200. It's just not as easy as you think. Be prepared for big swings. You need at least $1000 to play 100NL because there will be periods where every good hand gets cracked and every bluff called, it happens to EVERYONE. If you dont enough $$ to back you up then, if you are serious about poker, you need build up on the lower limits until you are ready. You might even pick up a few tricks, especially if you keep reading and posting HH's here.

i know, well i know i need more to play it but im tight aggresive and got at making traps, thats hows i took down most pots so far.

Originally Posted by betneer

i know, well i know i need more to play it but im tight aggresive and got at making traps, thats hows i took down most pots so far.

My favorite trap is to bet hard.

Originally Posted by Chicago_Kid

My favorite trap is to bet hard.

But successfully donkbetting into an overly aggro opponent is so much more stylish ...

Originally Posted by betneer

sorry idiots, i know i can make 50 $ - 100 $ a day.. 1400 - 2800 a month.. are you just on such low limits that dont exist or do u loose like hell?

dam idiots, i don need poker seesions for grown ups that play nl 10 buy in.. thats like 1/4 of a good pot for me

anyway ure right yesterday was luck...

too funny

here's my advice to you:

1. don't call people from FTR idiots who are only trying to help you.

2. don't over-estimate your poker playing ability. you sound pretty bad. no disrespect intended.

3. poker is a game of winning money, not masculinity.

dam idiots, i don need poker seesions for grown ups that play nl 10 buy in.. thats like 1/4 of a good pot for me

quoted in case somebody didnt realize where that came from.

4. playing 2/4NL on a 1000 roll is suicide. Even if you play perfectly, it's very likely you lose that 'roll unless you have a lot of luck.

5. try to learn. you seem pretty new to the poker world. trying to calculate your average daily income after playing such a short period of time is, like another poster implied, ignorant. First step is to become a solid, consistent winning player.

these are my pokerstars stats for my current NL100 session that I'm playing right now. I've been playing a pretty solid Tagg for a while. Both hands lost at showdown were small pots with a lot of checking and not much betting.

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 520 hands and saw flop:
- 31 out of 60 times while in big blind (51%)
- 14 out of 63 times while in small blind (22%)
- 38 out of 397 times in other positions (9%)
- a total of 83 out of 520 (15%)
Pots won at showdown - 12 of 14 (85%)
Pots won without showdown - 47

Lukie, are you a multitabling nutpeddler?

If so, how do you manage to play beyond simple setfarming/nutpeddling? I got the impression that setfarming is a less fruitful at limits beyond 25NL.

15% seems a little low more of a rock. I am around 20-23% and it seems to be working. Still get involved in some pots I shouldn't be in but over all I like that number.

Also what is your PFR%? Mine is around 5% seems a little low but still not comfortable playing marginal hand for big pots.

yeah well today i deposited 50 $ again to see if i only was having luck.

i deposited at midnight and by an hour later i now have 93.75 $ just playing 0.25 / 0.50.. took 20 $ of 2 people from the same table by trapping with a pair.

Originally Posted by Blinky

Lukie, are you a multitabling nutpeddler?

If so, how do you manage to play beyond simple setfarming/nutpeddling? I got the impression that setfarming is a less fruitful at limits beyond 25NL.

Well, a LOT of my raises preflop were just winning the blinds. Hencse the 47? pots won without showdown.

Like anyone who has played with me a considerable amount, sometimes I can play like a rock, and others like a complete lagg. Today I would have classified myself as a standard tagg. I was up 2 buyins in 2 hours of play so I must have been doing something right.

For the person who asked.. my PFR at 100NL full ring has hovered at around 8% for quite some time now.

well thats cool

im at 108.15 $ now..

i earn like 85 blinds an hour lol :S

normal from a poker book i read it said, a good player should earn about 20 BBs an hour,

anyway where can i get one of these stats program that keeps track how good i played each day ... with those green flame stats... would be cool to see what i earn over a week

2 night now.. played about 2,5 hours... earned about 60 $.

if i play 4 hours a day i can earn 50 - 100 a day, why did u guys say its not possible lol

Originally Posted by betneer

anyway where can i get one of these stats program that keeps track how good i played each day ... with those green flame stats... would be cool to see what i earn over a week

2 night now.. played about 2,5 hours... earned about 60 $.

if i play 4 hours a day i can earn 50 - 100 a day, why did u guys say its not possible lol

You still are not using proper bankroll management.

Betneer: try Poker Tracker or Pokeroffice (never used pokeroffice before but I believe it is a proggie that compiles stats on your play). Poker Tracker is excellent; it is shareware however which requires you to pay $55 if you want to build a DB larger than 1000 hands played.

Nobody said that earning $50-100/d (4h/ day) is impossible. However, it is impossible to sustain 85BB/h unless you're seriously multitabling. I don't think I've seen anyone who has posted stats here report a long-term winrate of more than maybe 12-15 BB/h on NL with possible exception of the penny tables.

Nothing we say will change your perception, so if you maintain this winrate (which you almost certainly won't, I'm sorry to say), all the power to you. Just remember that poker is a long-term game - and trapping with just a pair is very very dangerous.

That is all.

Regards,

ok guys long time ago i checked this thread, i now realized you need like 200 $ or more for a proper bankroll on 0.25 / 0.25... a lil more for .5 / 1;

anyway, i started with 50 $ 2 days ago, im JUST playing 10$, 50$ sit and go's with 4 players in each.

im now on a total of 414.16$, means im + 366$ or around there..

just a tip to everyone, dont start playing low limit cash games, play sit and go's, ive won about 85 % of all ive been in

probably earned like 70 $ the first day then all the rest this day,

*bows down to betneer*

I'm feeling a bit sexually attracted to betneer right now.

Originally Posted by betneer

took 20 $ of 2 people from the same table by trapping with a pair.

I trapped a guy with A high last night. "Brass balls and brain's brawn."

This has to be a joke. Come on Fnord, show your face. OK, maybe it is Triptanes or IowaSkinsFan. Tyson is that you?

Funny thread.

Originally Posted by betneer

ok guys long time ago i checked this thread, i now realized you need like 200 $ or more for a proper bankroll on 0.25 / 0.25... a lil more for .5 / 1;

anyway, i started with 50 $ 2 days ago, im JUST playing 10$, 50$ sit and go's with 4 players in each.

im now on a total of 414.16$, means im + 366$ or around there..

just a tip to everyone, dont start playing low limit cash games, play sit and go's, ive won about 85 % of all ive been in

probably earned like 70 $ the first day then all the rest this day,

well, ok sorry just trying to prove to you 100 $ is little for a day

im now up to 603.15$ total

read this guy for a king, been watching him and the other ones for half an hour before sitting in, they dont seem to care if they loose...

anyway if another spade had come i wouldnt probably call a big bet, i read him right i guess

he couldnt think i had a flush, i semubluffed 4 to flush on flop and continued betting

um...that's your entire bankroll on the table?

where should we set the over/under for him busting his roll completely? I'm thinking somewhere around 12 noon est....

Why did you start with a 50$ roll 2 days ago when you were up hundreds last month. Did you go bust?

I logged on just in time to see him lose the last of his buy-in with 66:

PokerStars Game #3972348578: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2006/02/14 - 16:22:13 (ET)
Table 'Ostara II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: lawsonmiller ($880.10 in chips)
Seat 3: kingny76 ($207 in chips)
Seat 4: labbe555 ($120.50 in chips)
Seat 5: back2fish ($194.35 in chips)
Seat 6: ct112 ($1057 in chips)
Seat 7: BarnDogWins ($990 in chips)
Seat 8: rychy21 ($327 in chips)
Seat 9: Golfnuttpro ($360 in chips)
back2fish: posts small blind $5
ct112: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Golfnuttpro said, "nice stack"
BarnDogWins: folds
rychy21: folds
Golfnuttpro: raises $30 to $40
lawsonmiller: folds
kingny76: folds
Uneven_King said, "later i won't take up the seat anymore"
Uneven_King said, "gl all"
labbe555: folds
back2fish: raises $154.35 to $194.35 and is all-in
ct112: folds
Golfnuttpro said, "later"
Golfnuttpro: calls $154.35
*** FLOP *** [4c 5d Jh]
Uneven_King leaves the table
*** TURN *** [4c 5d Jh] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [4c 5d Jh 3h] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
back2fish: shows [6d 6c] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Golfnuttpro: shows [8c 8h] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
jdoles214 joins the table at seat #2
back2fish said, "lol"
Golfnuttpro collected $395.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $398.70 | Rake $3
Board [4c 5d Jh 3h Js]
Seat 1: lawsonmiller folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kingny76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: labbe555 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: back2fish (small blind) showed [6d 6c] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 6: ct112 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: BarnDogWins folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: rychy21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Golfnuttpro showed [8c 8h] and won ($395.70) with two pair, Jacks and Eights

According to effective stack sizes, position and opponent's hand (unless opponent with AK limped in) it seems like you called a raise with 9Ts from BB with 25BB in front of you, flopped draw, made donkbet "semibluff" and finally hit 1:2 shot on the flop after being forced to put rest of your chips in the middle. Impressive, just wow.

$$$FREEROLL KING$$$ story from Parttimepoker website is running through my mind...

NH

Originally Posted by betneer

i earn like 85 blinds an hour lol :S

normal from a poker book i read it said, a good player should earn about 20 BBs an hour,

Lets see, if I can just average 85 big blinds per hour/table at pokerstars 10/20, while 8-tabling, for 10 hours a day and 365 days a year.....

thats $49,640,000 a year.

Sounds easy to me....... (note sarcasm)

also, betneer, not to beat a dead horse, but I'd like to quote the advice I gave you earlier in this thread, as I saw the inevitable "bust" coming from a mile away.

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by betneer

sorry idiots, i know i can make 50 $ - 100 $ a day.. 1400 - 2800 a month.. are you just on such low limits that dont exist or do u loose like hell?

dam idiots, i don need poker seesions for grown ups that play nl 10 buy in.. thats like 1/4 of a good pot for me

anyway ure right yesterday was luck...

too funny

here's my advice to you:

1. don't call people from FTR idiots who are only trying to help you.

2. don't over-estimate your poker playing ability. you sound pretty bad. no disrespect intended.

3. poker is a game of winning money, not masculinity.

dam idiots, i don need poker seesions for grown ups that play nl 10 buy in.. thats like 1/4 of a good pot for me

quoted in case somebody didnt realize where that came from.

4. playing 2/4NL on a 1000 roll is suicide. Even if you play perfectly, it's very likely you lose that 'roll unless you have a lot of luck.
5. try to learn. you seem pretty new to the poker world. trying to calculate your average daily income after playing such a short period of time is, like another poster implied, ignorant. First step is to become a solid, consistent winning player.

What would convince you to try playing 5/10NL on such a small roll is beyond me. At the risk of sounding too Fnordish, the NL1000 sharks appreciate your donation.

For the record, even if you have some natural poker playing ability (in my opinion, some people have it in them more than others), I predict your stubborn, arrogant, know-it-all attitude will hinder your development as a player. What's worse is you are a self-proclamed new player and you refuse to heed advice from many posters in this thread who are undoubtedly significantly better and more experienced at this game then yourself.

Again, I like to think of myself as a good person who likes helping others out, so I'm going to give you some more advice. What you do with this advice, well, that's your choice. Note that everything I said above still applies. I'm also going to assume you blew your entire bankroll on NL1000.

1. Take some time and reflect on your poker career of late. Many players have similar 'newbie' stories. If I were to say that I never busted out as a fairly new player on the 3/6 short-handed tables, I'd be lying. Everyone makes mistakes.

2. Learn the game. Accept the fact that you are a new player.. nobody is going to look down on you because of it. Read some books, read the poker forums (I usually read FTR and 2+2), play a lot of hands, watch your opponents, etc. When you note a blatantly horrible play, just understand that not everyone plays correctly (where do you think your money comes from?). This knowledge will get you far in the poker world.

3. Start your bankroll over again, and build it the right way. I would recommend starting with no more than a few hundred dollars, and keeping a 20 buy-in MINIMUM rule. Even with this, I would not recommend rapidly moving up the stakes past say, NL100. In my opinion, the games start significantly improving after that point. I often have difficulty beating games above that point during the stabs I've taken, and I consider myself a pretty decent player.

4. Once you really think you have a good feel for the game, get some poker utilities. I use the Pokertracker/Pokerace combination. There are also others, such as Pokeroffice and gametime+. Pokertracker/Pokerace seems to be the most popular though and I recommend it. Make sure that these programs don't stop you from actively watching other players, etc., but a trivial investment in tools can go a LONG way towards successful online poker.

5. For yourself, I would recommend a standard, abc, tight-agressive game. If your VPIP soars above 20 in full ring, you are playing too loose. This obviously does not apply to everybody, but this style is a proven winner and is the (theoretically) correct way to play hold 'em. I don't know how many tables you were currently playing, but I'd start with 1-2 than maybe add a third, and eventually a fourth. Make sure you have a monitor that can support that with no overlap; this is extremely important.

6. Know that you are a new player and as such you have much to learn. Keep an open mind. At this risk of discrediting my entire post, you sound like a pretty poor player who thinks he knows it all, much like I did when I first started playing. I promise you this isn't the case, and that to further your development as a poker player, you have a lot to learn and exerience. Make sure you re-read the advice I gave you in my other post.

Originally Posted by betneer

read this guy for a king, been watching him and the other ones for half an hour before sitting in, they dont seem to care if they loose...

anyway if another spade had come i wouldnt probably call a big bet, i read him right i guess

he couldnt think i had a flush, i semubluffed 4 to flush on flop and continued betting

First read Vrax's excellent post. I'm going to go a bit further with it, just because I want to.

I'm going to assume action went something like this: folds/limps to villain, he raises, you call shortstacked with a suited connector, anyone else who was in the hand (I presume nobody, as there aren't too many open-limpers at this level) folds. Flop comes K high with 2 spades. You say you read villain for a king.

How? Villain's range of hands certainly include those with a K, most notably AK and KQ, but how can you be certain, or even confident, that he has a K when villain's only action is a late position, opening raise?

Ok, so you call with your suited connector preflop which is terrible. Short stacked, calling a raise heads up and out of position. Hrrrm.

Yeah, so let's just assume that your read is 100% dead-on, and villain has a K. Why bet into him with a shortstack? You are about 5:1 against hitting your flush by the turn and about 2:1 against hitting your flush by the river, yet you eagerly put your money in against a stronger hand with hardly any implied odds if you hit? That sir, is terrible. I suggest you reread this entire thread very carefully, FTR as a whole is doing you a great service.

PokerStars Game #3980713609: Tournament #19780324, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/02/15 - 13:07:12 (ET)
Table '19780324 2' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: neozod (1455 in chips)
Seat 2: back2fish (1942 in chips)
Seat 3: nibs (1475 in chips)
Seat 5: IrishLegion4 (1360 in chips)
Seat 7: zoomie233 (1220 in chips)
Seat 8: Dabong (2785 in chips)
Seat 9: synister2005 (3263 in chips)
zoomie233: posts small blind 50
Dabong: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
synister2005: folds
neozod: folds
back2fish: raises 1842 to 1942 and is all-in
nibs: folds
IrishLegion4: folds
zoomie233: calls 1170 and is all-in
Dabong: folds
*** FLOP *** [8h Ah 5h]
*** TURN *** [8h Ah 5h] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [8h Ah 5h 5c] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zoomie233: shows [As Kc] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
back2fish: shows [Ks 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
zoomie233 collected 2540 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2540 | Rake 0
Board [8h Ah 5h 5c 7h]
Seat 1: neozod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: back2fish showed [Ks 7c] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Fives
Seat 3: nibs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: IrishLegion4 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: zoomie233 (small blind) showed [As Kc] and won (2540) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 8: Dabong (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: synister2005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #3980717689: Tournament #19780324, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/02/15 - 13:07:50 (ET)
Table '19780324 2' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: neozod (1455 in chips)
Seat 2: back2fish (722 in chips)
Seat 3: nibs (1475 in chips)
Seat 5: IrishLegion4 (1360 in chips)
Seat 7: zoomie233 (2540 in chips)
Seat 8: Dabong (2685 in chips)
Seat 9: synister2005 (3263 in chips)
Dabong: posts small blind 50
synister2005: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
back2fish said, "**** it nigga"
neozod: folds
back2fish: raises 622 to 722 and is all-in
nibs: folds
IrishLegion4: folds
zoomie233: folds
Dabong: folds
synister2005: calls 622
*** FLOP *** [4h Qs Kc]
*** TURN *** [4h Qs Kc] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [4h Qs Kc 8h] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
synister2005: shows [Ac 5c] (a pair of Kings)
back2fish: shows [3h Ts] (a pair of Kings - lower kicker)
back2fish said, "600 $bye noobs"
synister2005 collected 1494 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1494 | Rake 0
Board [4h Qs Kc 8h Ks]
Seat 1: neozod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: back2fish showed [3h Ts] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: nibs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: IrishLegion4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: zoomie233 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Dabong (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: synister2005 (big blind) showed [Ac 5c] and won (1494) with a pair of Kings

niiiiiiice

This guy rocks. I seen him on a 50fpp Mtt yesterday. I saw him at the table and by the time I got the table up on my screen he was out lol.

he's playing a 180 man 20+2, i just caught some of his wisdom.

PokerStars Game #3981406855: Tournament #19780828, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/02/15 - 14:43:18 (ET)
Table '19780828 17' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Grand Copain (830 in chips)
Seat 2: livingsign (1815 in chips)
Seat 3: RAFEI (2135 in chips)
Seat 4: back2fish (2385 in chips)
Seat 5: charlieriver (3070 in chips)
Seat 6: Jarfish (8640 in chips)
Seat 7: KCxx (5355 in chips)
Seat 8: k6sly (835 in chips)
Seat 9: mr8083 (2915 in chips)
livingsign: posts small blind 75
RAFEI: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
back2fish: raises 150 to 300
charlieriver: calls 300
Jarfish: folds
KCxx: folds
k6sly: folds
mr8083: folds
Grand Copain: raises 530 to 830 and is all-in
livingsign: folds
RAFEI: folds
back2fish: raises 1555 to 2385 and is all-in
charlieriver: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 6c 2d]
*** TURN *** [5d 6c 2d] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [5d 6c 2d 9s] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
back2fish: shows [Td 8d] (a flush, Jack high)
Grand Copain: shows [Ad Kh] (high card Ace)
Jarfish said, "wow"
back2fish collected 2185 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2185 | Rake 0
Board [5d 6c 2d 9s Jd]
Seat 1: Grand Copain (button) showed [Ad Kh] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: livingsign (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: RAFEI (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: back2fish showed [Td 8d] and won (2185) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 5: charlieriver folded before Flop
Seat 6: Jarfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: KCxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: k6sly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mr8083 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Move up ASAP. 10 buy-ins is fine.

I did that at NL100 and got annihilated.The proper BR is usually considered 20 buyins minimum(and I personally prefer alot more).Each day you can dedicate roughly 5 buyins;but you should often stop if you lose 2.5 (although table and game conditions play a role too).I know some people who make it a point to automatically drop down a level if they lose a full buyin in order to prevent any form of TILTING.

Come on now. Flaming doesn't accomplish anything guys.

Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores

Move up ASAP. 10 buy-ins is fine.

I did that at NL100 and got annihilated.The proper BR is usually considered 20 buyins minimum(and I personally prefer alot more).Each day you can dedicate roughly 5 buyins;but you should often stop if you lose 2.5 (although table and game conditions play a role too).I know some people who make it a point to automatically drop down a level if they lose a full buyin in order to prevent any form of TILTING.

My advice was directed at the topicstarter who runs 20BB/100 at 10NL. A BR of 250$ is then enough IMO (assuming he doesn't mind dropping back at 150 or so).

My favourite bit is this:

he couldnt think i had a flush, i semubluffed 4 to flush on flop and continued betting

OMG what an amazing new tactic! Astonishing psychological manipulation! The world of $1000NL will be rocked by such sheer audacity! And other such sarcastic comments!

I don't usually post this kind of stuff but it's kinda amusing:

PokerStars Game #4008229382: Tournament #19919419, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/02/17 - 22:18:53 (ET)
Table '19919419 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: BLACKPIRATE (1640 in chips)
Seat 2: back2fish (1360 in chips)
back2fish: posts small blind 10
BLACKPIRATE: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
back2fish said, "=)"
back2fish: calls 10
BLACKPIRATE: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Ah Jc]
BLACKPIRATE: bets 20
back2fish: calls 20
*** TURN *** [4c Ah Jc] [2d]
BLACKPIRATE: bets 120
back2fish: raises 120 to 240
BLACKPIRATE: raises 1360 to 1600 and is all-in
back2fish: calls 1080 and is all-in
back2fish said, "lol"
back2fish said, "bye"
*** RIVER *** [4c Ah Jc 2d] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BLACKPIRATE: shows [2h 4d] (two pair, Fours and Deuces)
back2fish: shows [5h 3c] (a straight, Ace to Five)
BLACKPIRATE said, "lol"
back2fish collected 2720 from pot
back2fish said, "noobs these days"

PokerStars Game #4008236603: Tournament #19919419, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/02/17 - 22:19:26 (ET)
Table '19919419 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BLACKPIRATE (280 in chips)
Seat 2: back2fish (2720 in chips)
BLACKPIRATE: posts small blind 10
back2fish: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
BLACKPIRATE: calls 10
back2fish: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 4s 9s]
BLACKPIRATE said, "nh"
back2fish: bets 20
BLACKPIRATE: raises 240 to 260 and is all-in
back2fish: calls 240
back2fish said, "lol ok"
*** TURN *** [7s 4s 9s] [Th]
back2fish said, "lol.."
*** RIVER *** [7s 4s 9s Th] [2d]
back2fish said, "good hand"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
back2fish: shows [3c Qs] (high card Queen)
BLACKPIRATE: shows [Ts 9h] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
back2fish said, "so weird"
BLACKPIRATE collected 560 from pot

and a few more hands .......


PokerStars Game #4008253003: Tournament #19919419, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/02/17 - 22:20:42 (ET)
Table '19919419 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: BLACKPIRATE (640 in chips)
Seat 2: back2fish (2360 in chips)
back2fish: posts small blind 10
BLACKPIRATE: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
back2fish: calls 10
BLACKPIRATE: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah 4s As]
BLACKPIRATE: checks
back2fish said, "u wont go over lets say 800"
back2fish: checks
*** TURN *** [Ah 4s As] [Jc]
BLACKPIRATE: bets 20
back2fish: folds
BLACKPIRATE said, "ok"
BLACKPIRATE collected 40 from pot

PokerStars Game #4008257525: Tournament #19919419, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/02/17 - 22:21:03 (ET)
Table '19919419 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BLACKPIRATE (660 in chips)
Seat 2: back2fish (2340 in chips)
BLACKPIRATE: posts small blind 10
back2fish: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
BLACKPIRATE: raises 60 to 80
back2fish: raises 580 to 660
BLACKPIRATE: calls 580 and is all-in
back2fish said, "=)"
*** FLOP *** [6c Js Qs]
back2fish said, "7s"
back2fish said, "wtf lucky ****hole"
*** TURN *** [6c Js Qs] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [6c Js Qs 3h] [2d]
BLACKPIRATE said, "sure"
back2fish said, "yes"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
back2fish: shows [7d Ah] (high card Ace)
BLACKPIRATE: shows [Ts As] (high card Ace - Ten kicker)
back2fish said, "ok..."
BLACKPIRATE collected 1320 from pot
back2fish said, "all in everytime"

PokerStars Game #4008264305: Tournament #19919419, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/02/17 - 22:21:34 (ET)
Table '19919419 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: BLACKPIRATE (1320 in chips)
Seat 2: back2fish (1680 in chips)
back2fish: posts small blind 10
BLACKPIRATE: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
back2fish: raises 1660 to 1680 and is all-in
BLACKPIRATE: calls 1300 and is all-in
back2fish said, "lol"
back2fish said, "u call with AT"
*** FLOP *** [Td 3h Kc]
back2fish said, "LOL!!!"
*** TURN *** [Td 3h Kc] [7h]
back2fish said, "****er!!"
*** RIVER *** [Td 3h Kc 7h] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BLACKPIRATE: shows [Ts Ac] (a pair of Tens)
back2fish: shows [Qc 3d] (a pair of Threes)
back2fish said, "lololol"
BLACKPIRATE collected 2640 from pot
back2fish said, "all in"

PokerStars Game #4008270018: Tournament #19919419, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/02/17 - 22:22:01 (ET)
Table '19919419 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BLACKPIRATE (2640 in chips)
Seat 2: back2fish (360 in chips)
BLACKPIRATE: posts small blind 10
back2fish: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
BLACKPIRATE: raises 2620 to 2640 and is all-in
back2fish: calls 340 and is all-in
back2fish said, "lol"
back2fish said, "u suck"
*** FLOP *** [4c 2c Qc]
back2fish said, "TJ?!"
back2fish said, "lol"
back2fish said, "hahahha"
*** TURN *** [4c 2c Qc] [6d]
BLACKPIRATE said, "lllllllooooooooooool"
*** RIVER *** [4c 2c Qc 6d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
back2fish: shows [Kh 2d] (a pair of Deuces)
BLACKPIRATE: shows [Tc Jc] (a flush, Queen high)
back2fish is sitting out
BLACKPIRATE collected 720 from pot

Thanks for this thread. It ought to be linked in the Newbie Circle of Death sticky thread as a cautionary tale.

Looks like he hasn't been back here since he busted his bankroll. Shame.

Originally Posted by salsa4ever

Originally Posted by salsa4ever

Originally Posted by betneer

i recon that i can earn.. on my next deposit with about 100 $.. if i dont go to 2/4 until i have like 1000 $ +

if i just stay on 0.25 / 0.50 and 0.50 / 1 that are very easy to me.. and i play about 4 - 6 hours a day id earn... hm....

guaranteed 50+ $ a day, usually more, this must be a bad beat day.

but mostly 100 $ a day...i mean i took down atleast 5 pots on 40 + yesterday and i played a total of 6 hours max.

at start im trying to play 7 days a week, 4 - 6 hours a day, cause im the kinda person who can handle that time.

so 7 days x 100 $ is 700 $.

thats an average of 700 $ / week, on a very bad day or possibly a little playing its 350 $ a week.

average each month is 2800.. less a month would be 1400 - 2800..

rate this please

Ah... sweet innocence...

innocence is bliss

i told you so.

I really told you so. But then, you guys didn't need to be told! I'm definitely linking to this thread from my webpage... in fact I'm saving it! It is pure gold!

Wow, lol

Originally Posted by betneer

yeah well today i deposited 50 $ again to see if i only was having luck.

He has to redeposit after a lucky previous day....I think that says something.

I don't intend to chase people away from FTR, but some folks are just too bull-headed to benefit from having a conversation anyway.

EasyT

Originally Posted by drtofu66

Thanks for this thread. It ought to be linked in the Newbie Circle of Death sticky thread as a cautionary tale.

Looks like he hasn't been back here since he busted his bankroll. Shame.

This thread is pure comedy.. I love it.

I actually took a lot of time trying to give him some good advice too..........

I think you're looking at this thread the wrong way, but meh.

What a wonderful insight into the mind of a regular donator at our tables.