What do you 25NL+ guys see as players/flop %

Ive started dabling in 25NL on paradise while playing a 10NL table at the same time and those 25NL tables seem very tight.
I managed to join a table the other day where the Players seeing flop % fell to 18% after about 10 minutes at the table... I left.

23% seems about the average im seeing. Isnt that really really tight for what is supposed to be a fishy site?

How do you beat these tables? Is it still just patient 19 hand poker or do I actually need to start trying to push them about?

Originally Posted by Pelion

Is it still just patient 19 hand poker or do I actually need to start trying to push them about?

What's a starting hand? *cackle*

My 2 tables are 26% and 27%

oh wait im playing $50NL tonight. similar tho

It seems to me that at least at $25 NL the players aren't near as fishy as most people seem to think. After ripping through a few party skins I find myself having a little bit of trouble at these tables. Maybe I'm just not playing well but I'd like to think I am...

I play $25NL tables on PS and find them quite fishy. Well, let's just say that there are enough fish on those tables to make it very profitable (I am 11BB/100, 6K hands currently) I have found that the key is to pick the right tables, identify the fish (thank you PT!) and then go for the kill. I.E. last night I was running bad overall but I got a good read on a fish who overbet everything (all in with mid pair, draws, etc.). I also let him bully me around for small pots for a while (hehe). Then, I was dealt A9 os in LP (which I usually fold) but since the fish was in I limped. Flop was 2 4 9. UTG bet .75, fish goes all-in and then I quickly re-raised all-in to get UTG to fold. UTG folds. Sure enough, the fish had 6 9 and I took down the pot. Sweet. It was a set up all the way and I de-stacked him as a result. I play a table as long as there are at least 2 players I know I can exploit and then when they leave, I'm gone too. Cruel, but it works really well... Oh, and I usually pick loose tables... >40% seeing the flop is what I like. Not sure about other sites, but PS displays those stats so you know how loose the table is before you join. However, on occasion by the time you get on the table, the fish have lost thier $ and only the sharks are left.

I have never seen a full ring game (10 players) on Pokerroom with less than 30% of the people seeing the flop. Lots of times it is over 40%....

Originally Posted by cardsman1992

I have never seen a full ring game (10 players) on Pokerroom with less than 30% of the people seeing the flop. Lots of times it is over 40%....

I've seen Pot Limit 25 tables on that site running at 60% ten handed lol. In fact,low stakes pot limit generally seems to be full of fish that love to see a flop. The games seem to run alot looser than the equivalent no-limit games.

Been playing 25NL at EuroPoker after playing at 10NL like you Pelion.

I found the tables to be tighter pre-flop but they still make fishy plays, like I do sometimes. I have had players calling my top 2 pair with nothing all the way to the river. I was also in a hand where on a 4-way flop we all went all-in leaving an $80 pot, I had a set of 5's with 55 hole cards and I won. Others had AA, AK, and the other guy mucked. I was certainly happy. They all left afterwards, which was a shame.

The PF % at EuroPoker vary between 35% and 50%. Its very rarely above 50% at full ring.

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Mac

Originally Posted by cardsman1992

I have never seen a full ring game (10 players) on Pokerroom with less than 30% of the people seeing the flop. Lots of times it is over 40%....

I've seen Pot Limit 25 tables on that site running at 60% ten handed lol. In fact,low stakes pot limit generally seems to be full of fish that love to see a flop. The games seem to run alot looser than the equivalent no-limit games.

deffinatly.. them PL games are alot juicier than the NL games at the same site!