What to do about LAGgy big stacks.

I had huge problems the other day. Two big stacks 2.5 buy-ins each we're playing superloose preflop, and betting into any weakness post flop. But anytime I made a hand to play back at them they played like they had me beat. They would call my flop bets and 1/2 pot turn bets. If I check they bet. Sometimes I would get the turn reraise from them. Obviously, I was folding a lot.

One of them let go on the turn when I raised preflop, and bet strong on a K-high flop, and strong on the turn. (AK of course)

The other folded when I bluffed the flop and turn.

How do I play with guys like this. There must be a way to get that money away from them? Even without that, there must be a way to get them off my back.

How do you guys deal with this.

1) Okay, move tables. But, their loose calls are when brought you to the table, right?

2)Also, they went away when I showed a lot of strength. But I also got stacked buy a floped set to my KK. I feel pretty committed once more than 1/2 my stack is in play...

Any thoughts on any of the above would be great.

Without knowing:

• What their relative position to you on the table is

• What type of NL you are playing (short-handed or full)

• What stakes you are playing

it is very hard to say what you should do

Originally Posted by Renton

Make sets
get paid.

make sense?

Originally Posted by IslandAK

The other folded when I bluffed the flop and turn.

Not like that, unless you enjoy dick swinging contests with A high!

Besides that sets or if you can sneak into a monster and AA KK, u only need a couple of big hands!

Out of position, if you think your hand is best, check raise the turn after they float on you and a safe card pops. Basically when you fire the second barrell with the marginal hand that's ahead, they're raising to the pressure point, forcing you to committ yourself if you want to play any further. Turn the tables and force them to committ themselves, therefore revealing the genuine strength of their hand if they remain.

Remember the old game of hand over hand until one hand rests on top of the baseball bat? Same concept.

One big mistake a lot of lagg players make, is semi bluffing a still incompleted draw too often when checked to, instead of ripping off a free one.

Also, if you flop a good hand, and they 2-bet your continuation on a draw board, fire a 3rd back and then bomb a safe turn.

Laggs create a high variance environment, but it can be very profitable if you approach it right.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

Out of position, if you think your hand is best, check raise the turn after they float on you and a safe card pops. Basically when you fire the second barrell with the marginal hand that's ahead, they're raising to the pressure point, forcing you to committ yourself if you want to play any further. Turn the tables and force them to committ themselves, therefore revealing the genuine strength of their hand if they remain.

Remember the old game of hand over hand until one hand rests on top of the baseball bat? Same concept.

One big mistake a lot of lagg players make, is semi bluffing a still incompleted draw too often when checked to, instead of ripping off a free one.

Also, if you flop a good hand, and they 2-bet your continuation on a draw board, fire a 3rd back and then bomb a safe turn.

Laggs create a high variance environment, but it can be very profitable if you approach it right.

Thank you, Rondavu.

Without knowing:
What their relative position to you on the table is
- One three seats behind me.
- The other two seats in front of me.
- I if I can't get position on a big stack I try to sit "across" the table so they don't have position on me.

What type of NL you are playing (short-handed or full)
- Full ring. I try to post on the appropriate board. I may not always do it.

What stakes you are playing
-$25NL. But these are not typical idiot 25NL players. They're sitting on big stacks and keeping them. I'm not saying they play like 100NL lags, but they are better than the erm... average.

IslandAK wrote:

The other folded when I bluffed the flop and turn.

Not like that, unless you enjoy dick swinging contests with A high!
- I c-bet the flop w/AK and fired again on the turn, suspecting a float.

Besides that sets or if you can sneak into a monster and AA KK, u only need a couple of big hands!
-Say I have KK and the flop is all unders, and I get reraised or check-raised on the turn. Just push? Pay off a better hand against these guys?


Make sets
get paid.

make sense?

-If I could make them I would hopefully do just that. I made 1 set and it was folded to a flop bet.

I would tighten up, but play back at them really aggressive when I have the goods.

If they are raising hard preflop, I wait for premium hands and then put the pressure back on them.

If they are playing very aggressive postflop, you need to have a hand, but then dont be afraid to play back at them reraising and pushing.

From my experience, the more aggressive their style, the more problems they have when someone puts aggression back on them.