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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    what is IRC? I can do all of the stuff you mentioned except counting outs I mean I physically can do it but not live.
    re irc, search for threads with 'irc' in the thread title.

    counting outs is pretty simple. Ask yourself the questions below, you'll get there fast. Basically draws fall into one of only a few patterns/types, learn how many outs there are for each type and you don't need to calculate them each time. Like, if you have two overcards and a flush draw you don't want to have to think about things like 'how many cards in each suit?', you want to think '9 outs to the flush, ez game, wonder how good those 6 outs to the overpair are?'

    how many clubs are there in a deck of cards? if you have two clubs in your hand and there are two on the board, how many remain? How many outs to hit a standard flush draw?

    how many nines are there in a deck of cards? how many fours?if you have 78s on A56rb, how many cards will make you hit your straight? How many outs to a standard open ended straight draw?

    ok, you are 3 way with AJcc on Jd7s3h, you know your opponents both have KK. How many aces are there in a deck of cards? how many are still in the deck? how about jacks? How many outs do you have vs these guys?

    You flop a flush draw + gutshot. How many ways to hit one of these hands? (clue, only count cards once!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    re irc, search for threads with 'irc' in the thread title.

    counting outs is pretty simple. Ask yourself the questions below, you'll get there fast. Basically draws fall into one of only a few patterns/types, learn how many outs there are for each type and you don't need to calculate them each time. Like, if you have two overcards and a flush draw you don't want to have to think about things like 'how many cards in each suit?', you want to think '9 outs to the flush, ez game, wonder how good those 6 outs to the overpair are?'

    how many clubs are there in a deck of cards? if you have two clubs in your hand and there are two on the board, how many remain? How many outs to hit a standard flush draw?

    how many nines are there in a deck of cards? how many fours?if you have 78s on A56rb, how many cards will make you hit your straight? How many outs to a standard open ended straight draw?

    ok, you are 3 way with AJcc on Jd7s3h, you know your opponents both have KK. How many aces are there in a deck of cards? how many are still in the deck? how about jacks? How many outs do you have vs these guys?

    You flop a flush draw + gutshot. How many ways to hit one of these hands? (clue, only count cards once!)
    Ok There are 13 clubs in a deck.so 13-4 is 9 outs..not sure what you mean by standard ??

    There are 4 9's and 4 4's so you have 8 outs to hit the open ender... same thing here about standard.

    Ok there are 3 A's left and 2 J's to give you 5 outs

    The flush draw and gutshot.... 8 outs ...

    I hope all this is right... now how do I use this info???
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    The flush draw and gutshot.... 8 outs ...
    12 outs (9 to the flush, 4 to the gutshot - but one of the gutshot outs is already counted as an out to the flush), rest are correct

    the way you use this info is that by playing with these sorts of examples for a while you basically start to know how many outs you have without having to calculate anything. Cos that's what you said you struggle with 'live'
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    I hope all this is right...
    good effort, gotigers

    As daven says, you don't need to do the calcs every time, just learn 'em, so here's a handy chart:



    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    ... now how do I use this info???
    well, if you're on the Turn w/ draw to a flush that you think'd be the winner and have a bet to call, you now know that if the pot odds are offering you better than 4:1, it's a profitable call
    Last edited by DoubleJ; 05-10-2012 at 06:40 AM.
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