Wasnt expecting that - AJs

i'm feeling particularly vulnerable so i'll post whatever

your mistake preflop is your sizing. in general 4xing pre is going to give you far less room to maneuver postflop which will make lots of situations more difficult given that its hard to hit strong hands you feel super comfortable with. if you made it bigger to isolate the fish i woulda made it like .70 here. you get the fringe benefit of a lot regs behind you sometimes folding hands they would always call with because they are confused by this highly advanced play of isolating the fish for bigger amounts. it's not unthinkable they might fold hands like 66- or things like KQs ATs-


on the flop you bet far too small, bet bigger so the fish can make larger mistakes on the turn and river. MP+2 is unlikely to be calling given how hard it is for him to have an ace given you have one and that AK 3bs some % of the time. however once he calls this hand is done. done. done. done. he never has a worse ace and more than likely has at the very least AQ+ if not a T. Fish overcalls which is also a giant warning sign.

on the turn you get very very very lucky. you get a card you can c/f the turn with and bet the river if it checks through. MP+2 is not going to bet AQ and he may not even bet AK. However he will certainly bet his T's. which makes this an easy c/f despite UTG being a drooler most likely.

HOWEVER. what happened is this, MP2 bet with a range that crushes yours and the fish called, and he can have a T as well and again it's hard to have an A. At this point you have to assume either A) you are beat now or B) there are too many river cards that you will be put in a redic toughspot if anyone bets. Say like any river card but an A or J is a horrible river spot if ANYONE bets. but you decided to c/over call which is a horribly large mistake.

on the river you have a really easy c/f but for some reason this is difficult despite MP2 shoving into 2 people, one of which could easily have a T.


but what do i know? more than half of this fucking subforum thinks i suck at poker.

great post bikes - quoted it cos it's gold and i'd hate it to dispappear

Originally Posted by bikes

i'm feeling particularly vulnerable so i'll post whatever

your mistake preflop is your sizing.

got it, i guess we simply think that is more vs less of a huge mistake then. I guess i don't see this as such a brutal mistake as you do, but i like your explanation for why below, thank you

Originally Posted by bikes

in general 4xing pre is going to give you far less room to maneuver postflop which will make lots of situations more difficult given that its hard to hit strong hands you feel super comfortable with. if you made it bigger to isolate the fish i woulda made it like .70 here. you get the fringe benefit of a lot regs behind you sometimes folding hands they would always call with because they are confused by this highly advanced play of isolating the fish for bigger amounts. it's not unthinkable they might fold hands like 66- or things like KQs ATs-

^ @ everyone: read this cos there is good stuff to think on in it, and thinking on it will make you better at poker. Regardless of whether you end up agreeing or disagreeing with it. Same goes for the rest of bikes' post below.

Originally Posted by bikes

on the flop you bet far too small, bet bigger so the fish can make larger mistakes on the turn and river. MP+2 is unlikely to be calling given how hard it is for him to have an ace given you have one and that AK 3bs some % of the time. however once he calls this hand is done. done. done. done. he never has a worse ace and more than likely has at the very least AQ+ if not a T. Fish overcalls which is also a giant warning sign.

on the turn you get very very very lucky. you get a card you can c/f the turn with and bet the river if it checks through. MP+2 is not going to bet AQ and he may not even bet AK. However he will certainly bet his T's. which makes this an easy c/f despite UTG being a drooler most likely.

HOWEVER. what happened is this, MP2 bet with a range that crushes yours and the fish called, and he can have a T as well and again it's hard to have an A. At this point you have to assume either A) you are beat now or B) there are too many river cards that you will be put in a redic toughspot if anyone bets. Say like any river card but an A or J is a horrible river spot if ANYONE bets. but you decided to c/over call which is a horribly large mistake.

on the river you have a really easy c/f but for some reason this is difficult despite MP2 shoving into 2 people, one of which could easily have a T.


but what do i know

flop, turn, and river = yep, agree completely with most of this. Regarding flop sizing, spr and only 100bb effective with fish means we could probably spend a lot of time debating this one. $3.50 HU with fish to the turn with $8.60 behind doesn't seem terrible.

Originally Posted by bikes

than half of this fucking subforum thinks i suck at poker.

that's one thing i've never thought - some (self-diagnosed and described) tilt issues from time to time perhaps. You know that already though, you've seen how i describe you when you're villain in hands i post etc.

@ those who suggest folding this pre. AJs is in my open range from this position at most tables. Having a fish limping in front only rarely narrows my raising range, and probably never at a 25nl table.

Originally Posted by bikes

...more than half of this fucking subforum thinks i suck at poker.

WAT???!!!

Do you really think that? Because that is soooooooo not true.

Seriously.