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07-01-2010 04:55 AM
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Want to increase your winrate a fuckton?http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...rs-143207.html | |
07-01-2010 05:03 AM
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Villain is retarded ass 45/5 station fish. Should have bet more on flop and turn, but w/e, point is made. | |
07-01-2010 05:14 AM
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07-01-2010 05:21 AM
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Villain is 55/10 over 99, pretty aggro postflop, but I can't really see him jamming two pair here on the river. Unless he has like KJ somehow, or J6, K6, etc. But its like this is so obviously a flush 75%+ its not even funny. | |
Last edited by dranger7070; 07-01-2010 at 05:25 AM. | |
07-01-2010 09:20 AM
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07-01-2010 11:08 AM
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Well dranger, you have the betting part down. Seems you need work on the folding part though =D. | |
07-01-2010 11:19 AM
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07-01-2010 11:42 AM
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Man that post by ISF is the nuts, thanks doctor. | |
07-01-2010 02:14 PM
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07-01-2010 02:21 PM
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07-01-2010 05:18 PM
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07-01-2010 05:21 PM
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Hoping some you guys could throw up hands of your own. I'll keep posting mine as I come across decent examples. | |
07-01-2010 05:29 PM
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trolling freetrollers
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07-01-2010 06:47 PM
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07-01-2010 07:42 PM
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07-01-2010 09:10 PM
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Thats not going to stop me from writing another 1-liner |
07-01-2010 10:50 PM
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Nice daven. | |
07-03-2010 02:49 PM
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Bet folding is usually the best play unless the bulk of his range was draws, air, or a hand we beat that can't call a bet.. better to give them a chance to bluff in these instances. | |
Last edited by Outlaw; 07-03-2010 at 10:31 PM. | |
07-03-2010 08:19 PM
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07-03-2010 09:49 PM
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07-03-2010 10:31 PM
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that isn't likely to call 3 barrels, sorry didn't think I needed to spell that out | |
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07-04-2010 06:56 PM
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07-05-2010 02:41 AM
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who likes bet/folding this river? villain is a 13/6 nit who folds SB 91% and BB 78%, however he recently flatted me in BB with A8o vs my SB raise. he has also floated me with underpairs to the board in the past, however he didnt bet the turn when he did this. anyway i folded to his minraise because i thought it was the nuts and the nuts only then he claimed in chat that he had a lone 9 and thought it was going to be a split (this was with others talking about the hand, i didnt say anything). i assume he's not that dumb and is trying to act dumb in the chat (it's not like i ever call with worse than his 9 AFTER i lead the river, so he's just paying more rake/losing whenever he raises and i call). i felt his river calling range was way wider than his betting range, because he may call with two pair hands, which he is far less likely to bet. anyway. good river b/f spot? | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-05-2010 at 02:44 AM. | |
07-05-2010 04:26 AM
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villain here is 16/1/0 (3bet), 0% raise to cbet, 82% fold to cbet. thus he has higher pairs such as QQ+ in his turn calling range, as well as flush draws and one pair/OESD hands. i assume due to being such a passive toadfish that he only ever raises full houses and straights on this turn. b/f turn seems pretty obvious. b/fold or b/call river? | |
Last edited by rpm; 07-05-2010 at 04:28 AM. | |
07-05-2010 01:13 PM
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I actually like a b/c on this river |
07-05-2010 01:47 PM
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You'd call another 14$ on this river? Even though we need something like less than 30% here, I feel like a good portion of the time we'd be calling just to split, and that is being optimistic. I bet/fold. | |
Last edited by Penneywize; 07-05-2010 at 01:50 PM. | |
07-05-2010 02:20 PM
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No i didn't realize we were 250 deep so i thought we would be calling 5 to win 15 or something and getting 3 to 1, and i thought that there was leik no way we're bellow 25% equity to a raise here, but im not sure because he really might be a passive toadfish that is slowplaying us with a boat ;(. b/c just seems spewy now against *this* villain 250 deep. |
07-05-2010 02:58 PM
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I don't see QJ being in this guy's range by the river ever, fwiw, he doesn't seem the type to be calling two streets with a gutterball/overs (even if he does call one street and binks the fd I dunno if he's calling since the board paired). | |
07-05-2010 04:01 PM
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07-05-2010 05:55 PM
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Great to see some hands/discussion going on in the BC for once. That's what I was shooting for lol. | |
07-09-2010 04:48 AM
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cool thread bro. villain here is 43/9 over something like 60. showed down T7s | |
07-09-2010 04:50 AM
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07-09-2010 08:21 AM
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Yea, you can easily bet pot, or 1.40 or w/e since he's calling with soso many draws, pair + draws, etc. Turn sizing is good. River check back is fine, but you could bet like 4.50 or something gay and get him to call with some random bullshit a lot, and he'll let you know when we're beat. I don't really expect him to bluff raise all that often, and the only Ax he has in his range is A8 and A9, MAYBE A7. Unless he has the Ad with whatever other card he wanted to call down with, but meh. That's why thin value is fun. | |
07-24-2010 12:22 PM
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weaktight | Hand | 92s - $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem | |
07-24-2010 12:32 PM
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07-24-2010 06:26 PM
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07-24-2010 10:53 PM
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trolling freetrollers
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07-24-2010 11:00 PM
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Was there supposed to be more to that hand, daven? | |
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07-24-2010 11:07 PM
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trolling freetrollers
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07-24-2010 11:12 PM
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07-25-2010 12:21 AM
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07-25-2010 01:35 AM
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07-25-2010 04:52 AM
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trolling freetrollers
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fair question. |
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07-30-2010 09:26 AM
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Ok so, this is a hand that rpm posted in his blog and its pretty key in showing how much bet/folding can/will affect your winrate for those of you morans who think I'm just shitting you, I'll show you some numbers. | |
Last edited by dranger7070; 07-30-2010 at 09:37 AM. | |
07-30-2010 11:19 AM
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Trust me...this works...really well. Fish call way too much. Just don't level yourself and think: |
07-31-2010 01:51 AM
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08-01-2010 02:22 AM
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A lot of this is read dependent but I agree that, in general, bet-folding is a good strategy. In many cases we also need to watch for boards where draws make up a large percentage of the villains range. Here, a lot of times the best way to get max value is to check and let aggressive opponents bluff their missed draws. This also helps balance our range so that we are not always smashing the river with our value range. As we move up, savvy players will pick up on your mega river aggression and start bluff-raising scare cards after floating. | |
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08-05-2010 01:09 AM
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bump, gonna try to start posting some hands where i should be b/f'ing |
08-05-2010 01:35 AM
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holy moligans the new fish is seeking to do something constructive. as for the hand i'm not really fussed whether you check it or bet/fold. the fact you noted that he isn't likely to c/r draws is a good thing, and makes us more inclined to bet. i think i like a bet/fold here if villain has some one pair/gutter or OESD hands that we beat ie T9, T8, J9, J8 etc. also if you feel he's got any kings in his range which aren't two pair or a flopped straight (ie he calls with some of K4s-K8s pre) then i think bet/folding is great. actually yep b/f this flop for sure now i think aboot it. | |
08-05-2010 01:37 AM
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actually he's probably c/c'ing any ace. definitely like a bet/fold here. | |
08-05-2010 08:59 PM
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09-06-2010 05:45 AM
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had to dig this one up. i have a couple of hands in which i bet with intentions of folding in spots i normally wouldn't. and i wanna hear what people think of them. | |
09-06-2010 05:59 AM
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another. villain here is 16/8/4.5 (3b) over 1k. he has raised 15% of 26 possible flop cbets, and folded to 54%. i only have one note on him which i gathered this same session and reads "3b 77 from BB vs UTG+1 open + LP flat, open jam 200bb on flop w/top set". | |
Last edited by rpm; 09-06-2010 at 06:02 AM. | |
09-06-2010 07:39 AM
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1. Looks fine, the Qs is pretty much a blank for everyone's range most of the time. I doubt utg doesn't bet AQ+ here so I'd defo bet for protection/value from worse pairs and draws, especially given the drooler's calling range. | |
Last edited by Carroters; 09-06-2010 at 07:43 AM. | |
09-06-2010 09:19 AM
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i honestly felt i was value-towning myself if i 3bet the flop with intentions of stacking off. i mean i doubt he's sticking it in with 77-JJ here even with one heart. and KK+ is being 3bet pre a lot. that leaves sets (which may or may not be willing to felt on the flop, but will definitely continue to the 3b) and Ahx in his continuing range. the other problem i have with stacking off 250bb deep on the flop is that the bottom of his stack-off range has 30-35% equity (9 combos of sets) and the rest crushes me (ie he flopped a flush and i have one out) so i felt like felting here was pretty suicidial this deep. there's a few Ahxh combos, as well as KThh+, QThh+, JThh. | |
09-06-2010 11:08 AM
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I read that as 25NL 100 deep for some reason this morning not 10NL 250 deep lol. You're likely not in good shape at all vs his stack off range here yeah, which will be maybe TT JJ with a heart, maybe not and prolly no worse pairs. He may still felt Ahx but yeah I can defo dig just calling given these stack sizes and the effect they'll have on his felting range on this flop. | |
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