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  1. #1

    Default Very basic A high

    Really basic but should a guy cbet here or what? This is just a very fundamental thing I know but I want to hear different opinions on how this should be played? Assume you have no stats on villain.

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG bellazayna ($1.14)
    CO Hero ($4.93)
    BTN laur3ntiu ($5)
    SB Papla4ek ($4.94)
    BB Clueless8 ($2.66)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is CO
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Papla4ek calls $0.18, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.45, 2 players)
    Papla4ek checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($0.45, 2 players)
    Papla4ek checks, Hero checks

    River: ($0.45, 2 players)
    Papla4ek bets $0.25, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $0.70

    Papla4ek wins $0.68 (net +$0.23)

    Hero lost $0.20
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    Pros: bd draw, can barrel high cards, may have him drop 33-tt
    Cons: ransoms have a decent amount of Jx and Qx

    I think that if you Cbet here you have to be ready to Cbet a large range of turn cards if you don't think you can do that then check.
  3. #3
    Villain stats play an important role on cbet as well. W/ no reads I dot mind c/f unimproved.

    However, cbet w/overcard, backdoor fd and sd isn't terrible. In this case, I think the turn is a great card to double barrel with.

    Edit: Oh wait. Someone already said that.
    Last edited by compudaze; 12-28-2010 at 01:55 AM.
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    I would c-bet here, probably to $0.30, and would look to barrel any spade, King, or Ace. I wouldn't barrel a Ten because even though we gain equity, we don't gain any fold equity against a bare Jack.

    My c-betting range would include any Ax or Kx with a backdoor flush draw, AT, AK, KT, T9, 98 with bdfd, and all value hands as bad as AJ or so.
    Last edited by spoonitnow; 12-28-2010 at 03:51 AM.
  5. #5
    i would cbet 40- 45 here usually, i like to bet full pot a lot is this bad?
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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by nickatina-69 View Post
    i would cbet 40- 45 here usually, i like to bet full pot a lot is this bad?
    yes.


    @ harley, I kindof struggle with spots like this too but checking back ace hi is super exploitable when you will get led on tons of turns and fold, calling makes things confusing. I generally cbet flops like this, it's pretty dry and you can get alot of pps / suited connectors to fold. On the other hand I agree we have to barrel a fair amount to get people to fold their middle pocket pairs and broadways / second pair hands. The station in me also calls the river as played without reads.

    vs an unknown I am tempted to not cbet because I'm not comfortable barreling enough not knowing if he is a total station. If he snap leads turn and hands reads a bit then you know what to do next time.
  7. #7
    The flop hits a calling range because of the connected j-Q and anyone with a piece or straight draw is calling. It's not a great flop to c-bet. I like the flop check behind. On the turn I would bet. villian has checked twice and I could easily rep the king as well as pushing out any draws as they only have 1 more card to come and would be less likely to call.
  8. #8
    I'd cbet about .25 or .30 against an unknown, for the already-mentioned reasons of "he'll fold a lot and a lot of turns will be good double barrels". Also, you also have position for the rest of the hand, which will make villain's life tough if he calls with a lot of his weaker range.
  9. #9
    Without reads, I'd go by stack size. If he's topped up, I assume he's taggy, if not, a fish.

    Versus a taggy opponent, I'm gonna c-bet almost any high card flop because I expect alot of their flatting range to be pps that often c/f with an overcard on the flop. Plus, if you check it back, they're gonna auto-bet the turn and you'll have to fold, which isn't bad but probably gives up some fold equity you had on the flop. As far as barreling, I wouldn't bet the normal scare cards because they help alot of hands that like this flop. Here, I'd only barrel if I picked up a fd.

    Vs a fishy opponent, I'd almost always check it back. This flop hits their 'any face card' range pretty good and they're just not gonna fold very often. Plus, fish will often check it down with you, and you could even have showdown value with A high.

    I like how you played the hand.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I would c-bet here, probably to $0.30, and would look to barrel any spade, King, or Ace. I wouldn't barrel a Ten because even though we gain equity, we don't gain any fold equity against a bare Jack.

    My c-betting range would include any Ax or Kx with a backdoor flush draw, AT, AK, KT, T9, 98 with bdfd, and all value hands as bad as AJ or so.
    I like this.

    Harley choose stuff with equity to cbet. Any hand with an A or K has at least some equity vs the majority of his range. Plus, they will improve on good barreling cards.

    I think we should def be cbetting here vs an unknown, although if you're not going to cbet I don't think you played it horribly.
  11. #11
    I c-bet this flop 100% against an unknown and barrel the king and most likely the 8.

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