Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
I gave up trying to outplay bad players a long time ago...
Value bet, dont outplay
exactly

you don't see lots o' flops against bad players to out play them. You see flops against them because they give you the implied odds to do so.

87s is like 30% to win vs a random donkeys raising range. But if you can make twice as much money from them when YOU hit as they can make from you if THEY hit, then playing 87s against them is +EV.