Typical set lines

FR, everyone has 100BB stacks. You're BB with 55. It's folded to MP where a 10/5 player raises 4xBB. You call and the flop is K J 5 rainbow. What line do you take to extract the most out of this player? Lead the flop? Check/call, lead turn? Fold preflop because this player will never pay you off and thus you don't have implied odds? I feel like my small pairs aren't getting paid off enough when I hit sets and was wondering how you guys play them in this sort of typical situation.

Check/call flop lead turn or check/raise turn on a safe board or check/raise flop on a draw heavy board. They're all so transparent, aren't they?

I've been experimenting with leading weakly (1/2 pot) to see if I can stimulate a raise, then either reraise on a dangerous board or call and check/raise the turn if I'm confident villain will bet again. Jury's still out.

I guess we are so tempted to slowplay and trap in these situations but we should probably ask ourselves WWTPWKD before we drop the hammer.

It depends on the player, vs a tight player you should lead into them and three bet AI if they raise. They're likely to have a real hand and won't give you credit for a big hand if you play it fast so they won't fold TPTK/overpair. Against a looser/more aggressive opponent checking will induce a bluff often, but sometimes you can donk lead into him to induce a raise. Sometimes check-raising will induce bluffs against aggro opponents. What it comes down to is how you and your opponent percieve each other, and how strong you think his hand is. I like to fastplay sets a lot, but sometimes just calling is best. Hope this helps.

I usually play sets pretty fast as well, it's just that lately I feel like I'm letting opponents getting away from hands they might otherwise not be able to fold. It's probably just variance I guess.

i think leading the flop for 1/2 the pot, maybe 2/3 would be a good way to go. you called the 4x bb raise, so i don' t think he would easily put you on the set here. although, if he doesn't have a king, he will probably bounce, but leading the flop allows for more value to be obtained on the turn/river IMO. maybe lead the flop, he'll call, check/raise the turn cuz he'll think you just bluffed the flop and go from there.

In general I like to play sets fast, and lead flops from OOP. But I'm also going to do this with TP and certain draws, so if opp is folding easily that's fine with me. In your scenario I'm leading 3/4 pot because there's a good chance the flop hit him and it would be great to get raised. A couple of exceptions... If the flop is T72 rainbow then I sometimes c/r, hoping to at least get a c-bet out of villain if he just has overs. If there's a draw on the board, I'll occasionally play like I'm chasing and hope it doesn't hit: c/c flop, c/c turn, lead the river hard. This requires an aggressive post-flop player, but so many players at Party 50NL chase flushes without the right odds that I think it disguises a set well.

Against a good player who would be opening a wider range and could get away from good but not great hands post-flop I'd just fold preflop. Against this guy with such a small range, and who likely overvalues good (but not great hands) I'd play here.

Normally I come out firing (aka leading), but thats not to say I don't ever c/c or c/r here. I think leading is the best play though here most of the time. There are so many ways the hand can play out after this it's almost impossible to give even a rough guideline on how I'd continue.

An important aside is that I often try to take away my opponent's c-bet OOP in heads up pots. But I usually have something, ie middle pair, draw, set, bottom pair, underpair that I think is good, TPGK, whatever. So it's not like I'm c/c'ing down with TPGK everytime and bombing away with sets, there has to be a certain balance to your game.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's because it's 1am. This is a really PUNny.
I guess we are so tempted to slowplay and trap in these situations but we should probably ask ourselves WWTPWKD before we drop the hammer.

Originally Posted by Warpe

I guess we are so tempted to slowplay and trap in these situations but we should probably ask ourselves WWTPWKD before we drop the hammer.

What will top pair weak kicker do??

Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up

Originally Posted by Warpe

I guess we are so tempted to slowplay and trap in these situations but we should probably ask ourselves WWTPWKD before we drop the hammer.

What will top pair weak kicker do??

what would bryan boytano do, now thats the question!

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up

Originally Posted by Warpe

I guess we are so tempted to slowplay and trap in these situations but we should probably ask ourselves WWTPWKD before we drop the hammer.

What will top pair weak kicker do??

what would bryan boytano do, now thats the question!

i think he would kick an ass or two

On a draw heavy flop, bet three bet ai is a good play. On a rag flop, check call flop lead turn is a good play. On a high card flop lead call flop check raise turn is a good play.

Thats all I can think up at the moment. Basically you just need to make sure three bets go in by the time the river card is turned. Which means you need to take the line that most ensures that your villain puts in a second bet somewhere.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up

Originally Posted by Warpe

I guess we are so tempted to slowplay and trap in these situations but we should probably ask ourselves WWTPWKD before we drop the hammer.

What will top pair weak kicker do??

what would bryan boytano do, now thats the question!

fuck his uncle?