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    Hand 1: Gotta call pre, no real question there. On the flop, if you decide you want to have a bluffing range, this has to be in it since it's the worse hand you have with decent equity. As played, the turn is one of the best cards to barrel possible. Then his raise size sucks so you get free manies by calling.

    Hand 2: Gotta call pre, again. Note that one reason your implied odds are so good here is because his pre-flop range is so strong. On the flop a lot of people are going to insta want to raise because we flopped a combo draw, but I think it's close. You have to keep in mind that just because shoving is +EV, that doesn't mean that it's the correct play because calling could be more +EV. If you were deeper or he bet less on the flop, I would be in favor of calling, and if you were more shallow on the flop I'd be inclined to go ahead and get it in. As played, the turn call might be a mistake because a significant portion of his range has a set now and that gives you reverse implied odds on the Ad and 4d.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    You have to keep in mind that just because shoving is +EV, that doesn't mean that it's the correct play because calling could be more +EV.
    This is an interesting spot for the point you make. I guess I can see the logic though, hero has succeeded in avoiding stacking off in this spot when he is losing. If hero hits, does villain always stack off? If so then calling flop was better than shoving, we can see that because hero has lost less when his hand loses than I would have lost, yet we would both win the same when we hit. The difference is if villain can make a big fold if the diamond falls. If we think he can, then I would say shoving should be more +ev.
    Last edited by OngBonga; 12-14-2010 at 04:31 PM.
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