Two 50NL hands

1 - I know I played this like a donk. If I wasn't going to fold, I probably should have just pushed over his flop check-raise, right? So I guess the question is, any way I can fold to the flop check-raise?

POKERSTARS GAME #5093837097: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/05/29 - 21:33:08 (ET)
Table 'Kalliope III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pokerlarry ($60.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Rockymv ($54.65 in chips)
Seat 3: AJsuit16 ($46.30 in chips)
Seat 4: bustumups ($14.40 in chips)
Seat 5: bk1945 ($22 in chips)
Seat 6: the3bigO ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Vegas_Rich_X ($37.30 in chips)
Seat 8: integration ($65.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Shady697 ($65.90 in chips)
Vegas_Rich_X: posts small blind $0.25
integration: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rockymv [Kh Kd]
Shady697: folds
Shady697 leaves the table
pokerlarry: folds
Rockymv: raises $1.50 to $2
AJsuit16: calls $2
bustumups: folds
bk1945: folds
the3bigO: folds
Vegas_Rich_X: folds
integration: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [6h 7h 2c]
integration: checks
Rockymv: bets $5
AJsuit16: folds
integration: raises $5 to $10
Rockymv: calls $5
*** TURN *** [6h 7h 2c] [Qs]
HENRYSFORK joins the table at seat #9
integration: bets $7.50
Rockymv: calls $7.50
*** RIVER *** [6h 7h 2c Qs] [Jh]
integration: bets $45.75 and is all-in
Rockymv: calls $35.15 and is all-in

2 - Any way I fold bottom set to all this action? The board is pretty much ideal.

POKERSTARS GAME #5093732621: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/05/29 - 21:24:15 (ET)
Table 'Capricorn' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Rockymv ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 2: NorthLeviath ($43.55 in chips)
Seat 4: Doublplay ($72.95 in chips)
Seat 5: L$U is #1 ($48.95 in chips)
Seat 6: davisjj627 ($39.50 in chips)
Seat 7: MBrugby9 ($24.20 in chips)
Seat 8: Gutspoker ($143.90 in chips)
Seat 9: D Amiri ($49.50 in chips)
D Amiri: posts small blind $0.25
Rockymv: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rockymv [2c 2s]
NorthLeviath: folds
Doublplay: folds
L$U is #1: folds
davisjj627: folds
MBrugby9: calls $0.50
Gutspoker: raises $1.50 to $2
D Amiri: folds
Rockymv: calls $1.50
Germs33 has returned
MBrugby9: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [4d Kd 2h]
Rockymv: checks
L$U is #1 leaves the table
MBrugby9: checks
Gutspoker: bets $3
Rockymv: raises $6 to $9
MBrugby9: calls $9
snopro210 joins the table at seat #5
Gutspoker: raises $26 to $35
Rockymv: raises $12.50 to $47.50 and is all-in
MBrugby9: calls $13.20 and is all-in
Gutspoker: calls $12.50
*** TURN *** [4d Kd 2h] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [4d Kd 2h 7s] [5s]

EDIT: wrong damn forum again...sorry.

Hand1
It sure as hell looks to me that integration has 66 or 77, but this also comes down to reads. Has he been calling raises with low pps before? Also, he may just be making this play with jj or qq. If you planned on getting it ai anyway, the flop is as good as any time to do it.

Hand2
I think this would be extremely tough to get away from. Only 44 and kk beat you, but this is why i would probably just fold 22 after a raise and a call.

1 - Min raise and then leads the turn for less than the raise on the flop. Without a read otherwise that throws off major warning bells. Someone hit their set and is trying to milk you.

2- GAMBOOL

1) I think this a good place to 3bet the flop. Loose players will often minraise what looks like an obvious cbet from the PFR. Especially considering that PF action did nothing to announce your hand as being a high PP. As played I check/call the turn and fold the river.

2) You're getting the best of it w/ the bigger stack, IMO. I would put him on AK, AA, or whatever. The other guy could definitely have 44, but he's shortstacked. Dunno, I'm always okay with getting oversetted.

#1: easy river fold
#2: gutspoker obviously has KK...the half pot bet and then reraising a raise and a cold call, but didnt push to get more value, but easier said than done.

Originally Posted by bair

#1: easy river fold

If I'm going to fold the river, shouldn't I be folding some point before that?

For the record, Villian had AK in hand 1.

[quote="bair"#2: gutspoker obviously has KK...the half pot bet and then reraising a raise and a cold call, but didnt push to get more value, but easier said than done.[/quote]

gutspoker had AK, other guy had a flush draw.

This is what I find so frustrating...it's really hard to put a random 50NL player on a hand.

nice hands then...i was way off . anyways if i believe him on hand 1 im probably not folding until the river. these guys overplayed their hands to all hell

Originally Posted by bair

nice hands then...i was way off . anyways if i believe him on hand 1 im probably not folding until the river. these guys overplayed their hands to all hell

I think you're right about hand 2 though...it REALLY looks like KK. Maybe that's a hand you lay down vs. a random 400NL player, but not a random 50NL player?