AT turns top pair in squeezed pot - 25nl

MP3 = original opener is 10-8 with 90% fold to 3b and has never called a 3b oop, 4b range is AA only.
CO is 12-10-5 high volume chinese with 70% fold to 3b and enjoys playing ip, probably a multi-player account so hard to assess history
sb is 49-7 and pretty much has 22-QQ here. another edit, courtesy of RPM's post below - his range is probably wider than this cos i have less than 100 hands on him. But a bias towards pairs cos fish like cold-calling 3bets with pairs.

bet turn? check back turn and snap any river/bet if checked to?

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
9 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($10.62)
UTG+1 ($19.25)
MP1 ($27.69)
MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($28.30)
CO ($26.02)
daven (BTN) ($28.54)
SB ($21.82)
BB ($10.35)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) daven is BTN
4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, daven raises to $2.60, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold, MP3 folds, CO folds

Flop: ($6.95, 2 players)
SB checks, daven bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($11.95, 2 players)
SB checks, daven ($23.44)?

edit: checked back turn, river decision added a few posts below.

If he has a PP as you say then he's not calling down again with anything but a set.

ck back and if he bets river i am folding most times and i'll b/f like 5$ when he ck river

based on your reads i see no reason to do anything but check it back

seems like consensus on turn play, river?


Turn: ($11.95, 2 players)
SB checks, daven checks

River: ($11.95, 2 players)
SB bets $6.25, daven calls $6.25 ...

before this goes any further i have to ask: do you have more reads on this guy to know he has mostly 22-QQ here preflop? i mean, i'd expect 49-7's range here to look more like 22-KK, A9s+, AJo+, KJs+, KQo, Q9s+, QJo, J9s-86s, JTs-54s.

Originally Posted by rpm

before this goes any further i have to ask: do you have more reads on this guy to know he has mostly 22-QQ here preflop? i mean, i'd expect 49-7's range here to look more like 22-KK, A9s+, AJo+, KJs+, KQo, Q9s+, QJo, J9s-86s, JTs-54s.

fair question, i think you're right and his range is probably wider than pairs - just biased towards pairs. He could perhaps show up with Axs, sooted cards, etc as well? less than 100 hands and that read was based a lot on 'typical' fish coldcall ranges vs 3bets.

like i said, i'd fol river when he donks after that line. generally he has a set or a better A, he's not donking river w/ a bluff or a weaker A often enought to make it a call

Originally Posted by Razvan729

like i said, i'd fol river when he donks after that line. generally he has a set or a better A, he's not donking river w/ a bluff or a weaker A often enought to make it a call

need to be good about 25%

i know , if we give him AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, 88,99, 33 we need him to bet every time JJ,TT,77 to have a slight +EV call . he might bet river sometimes with these but not always so the call is -EV.

if we give him a wier range preflop then just PP's and AJ+ and we add some Axs and SC then his river betting range is AK,AQ,AJ,QQ,88,99,33,JTs,89s,A8s,A9s,A3s and so you need to add a lot more crap in his river betting range to make it a call and again, he might sometimes bet the crap, but not often enought to make it a call

Originally Posted by Razvan729

i know , if we give him AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, 88,99, 33 we need him to bet every time JJ,TT,77 to have a slight +EV call . he might bet river sometimes with these but not always so the call is -EV.

if we give him a wier range preflop then just PP's and AJ+ and we add some Axs and SC then his river betting range is AK,AQ,AJ,QQ,88,99,33,JTs,89s,A8s,A9s,A3s and so you need to add a lot more crap in his river betting range to make it a call and again, he might sometimes bet the crap, but not often enought to make it a call

nice post, cheers, bold is gold.

I posted this hand cos i bank-called and didn't want to be results orientated (JJ). I also wanted to check pre and turn when i reviewed the hand - they both seem fine. The only thing that makes this river call ok is if villain is likely to bet river bigger with a set after turn checks through. And that's marginal.

Do you really see villain calling the flop with AK or AJ or 33, if so bet bigger get him to fold them. I see villain having a lot of Broadway's in his range cos fish bumfuck Broadway's so he should have enough Qx in his range to make river a call as he is oop and the A chked thru. Can't stove it at the moment cos I'm out but will do when I'm home.

vs AQ A9s AKs KK QQ QK 99 88 calling is a no brainer as we are dead even. I think this range is better than ravs. think what villain gets to the river with. he doesnt have to bet JJ or TT or even KQo for this to be a call.

I think betting the flop is a mistake and that delayed betting is going to be way better. As played check turn bet river some super small amount is probably okay.